M1 AFE 0w-20 or EP 0w-20

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Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
Anyone think that there is a mileage difference between the two? I realize it would be small if any.


Between AFE and EP of same weight? No difference. However in seeing you are using an HM 10w30 now, you will likely see a minor difference (improvement in MPG).
 
Originally Posted By: parshisa
when you guys are talking about OCI in miles, do you ever consider motor hours on the oil and ambient temperature car has been exposed to?

10K at 60 mph avg and 10K at 20mph are two different stories...just saying


Car is a DD and I have a mixed city/hwy commute of 25mi one way.

I've never seen ambient temps matter except for cold starting.
 
I used the AFE 0W20 stuff in my car a lot due to it being my mechanic's go-to full synthetic oil, and have no complaints. When I decided to extend my OCI, I switched to EP. I wish I had run tests with AFE, but I started my UOA reporting with EP. Driving 60 MPH with cruise on, 80 to 90% highway driving, I have extended my OCI to 26k miles with additives still present and no issues reported. I'm working on my 28k OCI at the moment.

Maybe I should run AFE tests...
 
Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
26k is impressive. Do you have to add top off oil?
Not as impressive as you might think, since its a hybrid, which means the engine itself was probably off (completely halted pistons) for 30% of those miles, so its really something around 18k mile oil changes. Still impressive though.
 
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
I'll run 15k as long as I don't see massive consumption.
I was using a quart in 2k but that went back to a quart in 6k after I replaced the PCV valve. It ran 5w20 for the first 100k or so with this same rate of use so fingers crossed it stays the same with 0w20

15k= EP is the way to go.

+1
 
Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
26k is impressive. Do you have to add top off oil?


Nope. My car takes 4.8 quarts, and I use all 5 quarts in the 5qt jugs. When it's time to change the oil, the car still shows as having 5 quarts. No oil loss yet.


Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
26k is impressive. Do you have to add top off oil?
Not as impressive as you might think, since its a hybrid, which means the engine itself was probably off (completely halted pistons) for 30% of those miles, so its really something around 18k mile oil changes. Still impressive though.


Since most of my driving is highway, my engine is actually running closer to 95% of the time. I rarely, if ever, cruise below 40, which is when my engine is off. Traffic lights and stop signs are about it.
 
Originally Posted By: Raidin
Since most of my driving is highway, my engine is actually running closer to 95% of the time. I rarely, if ever, cruise below 40, which is when my engine is off. Traffic lights and stop signs are about it.
I see; no hills and dales in TX ! With moderate rolling hill travel my C-Max hybrid is probably only running 50% of the time. Even if at highway speeds of 60 - 80 mph, the engine turns off going downhill.

Your TX terrain is very much not the ideal topography to exploit a hybrid. What MPG do you get? I get 45 MPG average, half-hiway/half-city, in moderatelly mild hilly terrain. When on a long trip to AZ/CA last year, MPG dropped to 35 MPG, flat terrain, high speeds. Uggh!
 
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: Raidin
Since most of my driving is highway, my engine is actually running closer to 95% of the time. I rarely, if ever, cruise below 40, which is when my engine is off. Traffic lights and stop signs are about it.
I see; no hills and dales in TX ! With moderate rolling hill travel my C-Max hybrid is probably only running 50% of the time. Even if at highway speeds of 60 - 80 mph, the engine turns off going downhill.

Your TX terrain is very much not the ideal topography to exploit a hybrid. What MPG do you get? I get 45 MPG average, half-hiway/half-city, in moderatelly mild hilly terrain. When on a long trip to AZ/CA last year, MPG dropped to 35 MPG, flat terrain, high speeds. Uggh!


Most cars shut off the fuel injectors when coasting or going downhill, and while that is true in my car as well, the engine never completely shuts off. It's actually part of the transmission. At a certain speed, the engine must turn with the eCVT to maintain that speed. While I don't have any hills, I do go over highway overpasses, but those are limited to certain areas of the highways I drive, maybe 30%?

As for MPGs, driving at 60 MPH with cruise, and driving like a regular car on city streets while using the regen brakes as much as possible (I'm still on the factory brake pads), I get between 50 and 53 MPG right now (using Ecopia EP422 Plus tires, best I've found for MPG efficiency).
 
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
26k is impressive. Do you have to add top off oil?
Not as impressive as you might think, since its a hybrid, which means the engine itself was probably off (completely halted pistons) for 30% of those miles, so its really something around 18k mile oil changes. Still impressive though.


One member here(fissker) used M1 0-20AFE for 20K OCIs and put 300K on his 95 Ford Escort. When sold the engine still ran great.
 
I'm leaning toward the AFE for my trial. If the engine likes it I may spring for EP or AP and change every 20k. I still have time to mull it over. I still have about 4K to go on this oci with M1 HM 10w-30. Running this out to around 10k unless I can't stand waiting
 
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