Originally Posted By: CivicFan
It's the latest Passat model.
Actually, it's the CC, but it is built on the Passat platform.
It's the latest Passat model.
Actually, it's the CC, but it is built on the Passat platform.
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
It's the latest Passat model.
Actually, it's the CC, but it is built on the Passat platform.
Rear headroom is atrocious but the styling is decent for a VW, imo.
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
It's the latest Passat model.
Actually, it's the CC, but it is built on the Passat platform.
Rear headroom is atrocious but the styling is decent for a VW, imo.
Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
It's the latest Passat model.
Actually, it's the CC, but it is built on the Passat platform.
Rear headroom is atrocious
It's only 0.6" less than the Accord, but the CC is a 4-seater, so yeah, it feels more like a coupe in the back row...
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
It's the latest Passat model.
Actually, it's the CC, but it is built on the Passat platform.
Rear headroom is atrocious
It's only 0.6" less than the Accord, but the CC is a 4-seater, so yeah, it feels more like a coupe in the back row...
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
It's the latest Passat model.
Actually, it's the CC, but it is built on the Passat platform.
Rear headroom is atrocious
It's only 0.6" less than the Accord, but the CC is a 4-seater, so yeah, it feels more like a coupe in the back row...
I'd be surprised to hear that, although I have not been in the back seat of a new Accord. I've been in the back of an 06 Passat and my head was on the ceiling. When I tried sitting in the back of the CC, it was about the same, perhaps a little worse. I'm only 6' tall and I don't have a particularly long torso.
Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
It's the latest Passat model.
Actually, it's the CC, but it is built on the Passat platform.
Rear headroom is atrocious
It's only 0.6" less than the Accord, but the CC is a 4-seater, so yeah, it feels more like a coupe in the back row...
I'd be surprised to hear that, although I have not been in the back seat of a new Accord. I've been in the back of an 06 Passat and my head was on the ceiling. When I tried sitting in the back of the CC, it was about the same, perhaps a little worse. I'm only 6' tall and I don't have a particularly long torso.
I'd get a Fusion or wait for the new Focus, I think.
Just to throw it out there. The Pontiac G8 is a fantastic, very well built car from a great company down under. You can also get a great price on one if you can find it......just sayin.
Just to throw it out there. The Pontiac G8 is a fantastic, very well built car from a great company down under. You can also get a great price on one if you can find it......just sayin.
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Originally Posted By: Win
Rear wheel drive Pontiac G8.
There are probably a few new 6's left, but all the good colors were gone by last summer.
duh....didn't see your post....agree with the G8, but cant on the G6. The fusion blows it away imo....but thats based on looks which is admittedly totally subjective. Does the 6 come with the 2.4 eco and what else? A six in the GT I would guess?
Rear wheel drive Pontiac G8.
There are probably a few new 6's left, but all the good colors were gone by last summer.
duh....didn't see your post....agree with the G8, but cant on the G6. The fusion blows it away imo....but thats based on looks which is admittedly totally subjective. Does the 6 come with the 2.4 eco and what else? A six in the GT I would guess?
duh...again....lol.
Got ya.
Got ya.
Edmunds did a test drive on the 2010 Altima 3.5SR V6. As expected, it came back with a rather favorable review:
http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/altima/2010/testdrive.html
http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/altima/2010/testdrive.html
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Edmunds did a test drive on the 2010 Altima 3.5SR V6. As expected, it came back with a rather favorable review:
http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/altima/2010/testdrive.html
Fair enough, but so did this.
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/fusion/2010/testdrivemanual.html
I won't hesitate to admit that I do like the Altima, quite a lot. But I would be unable to bring myself to get one. Know this though, if for some reason, I would be unable to buy from the Detroit 3, if I was looking for a midsize sedan.. The altima would be at the top of my list. Just wish it had a traditional automatic instead of a CVT.
Edmunds did a test drive on the 2010 Altima 3.5SR V6. As expected, it came back with a rather favorable review:
http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/altima/2010/testdrive.html
Fair enough, but so did this.
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/fusion/2010/testdrivemanual.html
I won't hesitate to admit that I do like the Altima, quite a lot. But I would be unable to bring myself to get one. Know this though, if for some reason, I would be unable to buy from the Detroit 3, if I was looking for a midsize sedan.. The altima would be at the top of my list. Just wish it had a traditional automatic instead of a CVT.
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Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Just wish it had a traditional automatic instead of a CVT.
Did you already testdrive a CVT?
It is quite remarkable but you have to keep an open mind to it as you have to change your driving habits a bit in order to use its full potential.
I never wanted to drive an automatic, just don't like the feel of it, and that is the only way I entered the "automatic" world, with a CVT.
Nissan is a leader in that field, but I heard the Subaru CVT is even better.
I believe you can still have an Altima in manual, right?
Just wish it had a traditional automatic instead of a CVT.
Did you already testdrive a CVT?
It is quite remarkable but you have to keep an open mind to it as you have to change your driving habits a bit in order to use its full potential.
I never wanted to drive an automatic, just don't like the feel of it, and that is the only way I entered the "automatic" world, with a CVT.
Nissan is a leader in that field, but I heard the Subaru CVT is even better.
I believe you can still have an Altima in manual, right?
Originally Posted By: Pesca
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Just wish it had a traditional automatic instead of a CVT.
Did you already testdrive a CVT?
It is quite remarkable but you have to keep an open mind to it as you have to change your driving habits a bit in order to use its full potential.
I never wanted to drive an automatic, just don't like the feel of it, and that is the only way I entered the "automatic" world, with a CVT.
Nissan is a leader in that field, but I heard the Subaru CVT is even better.
I believe you can still have an Altima in manual, right?
I've never driven a CVT.... But I like having a shifting automatic. I enjoy a smooth shifting auto. CVT just seems... Wrong somehow, when watching acceleration videos.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Just wish it had a traditional automatic instead of a CVT.
Did you already testdrive a CVT?
It is quite remarkable but you have to keep an open mind to it as you have to change your driving habits a bit in order to use its full potential.
I never wanted to drive an automatic, just don't like the feel of it, and that is the only way I entered the "automatic" world, with a CVT.
Nissan is a leader in that field, but I heard the Subaru CVT is even better.
I believe you can still have an Altima in manual, right?
I've never driven a CVT.... But I like having a shifting automatic. I enjoy a smooth shifting auto. CVT just seems... Wrong somehow, when watching acceleration videos.
Then, you should testdrive one, you may be pleasantly surprised.
In automatic, what I don't like is the jerk at shifting (but strangely enough, I like shifting in a manual car), and the CVT gets rid of it.
If you like smooth shifting, you may like the CVT feeling. If you want the sensation of the shifting, you can have it if the car is equiped with paddle shifters (but I think they get rid of it as drivers don't use them anyway).
CVT is the future: fuel efficiency, less maintenance, and no left pedal to deal with in traffic. But to be efficient, it is like driving an hybrid car, it needs some getting used to it.
In automatic, what I don't like is the jerk at shifting (but strangely enough, I like shifting in a manual car), and the CVT gets rid of it.
If you like smooth shifting, you may like the CVT feeling. If you want the sensation of the shifting, you can have it if the car is equiped with paddle shifters (but I think they get rid of it as drivers don't use them anyway).
CVT is the future: fuel efficiency, less maintenance, and no left pedal to deal with in traffic. But to be efficient, it is like driving an hybrid car, it needs some getting used to it.
Originally Posted By: Pesca
Then, you should testdrive one, you may be pleasantly surprised.
In automatic, what I don't like is the jerk at shifting (but strangely enough, I like shifting in a manual car), and the CVT gets rid of it.
If you like smooth shifting, you may like the CVT feeling. If you want the sensation of the shifting, you can have it if the car is equiped with paddle shifters (but I think they get rid of it as drivers don't use them anyway).
CVT is the future: fuel efficiency, less maintenance, and no left pedal to deal with in traffic. But to be efficient, it is like driving an hybrid car, it needs some getting used to it.
I like the sensation of shifting, but for me, unless I'm like "racing" I would never use the flappy paddles
Then, you should testdrive one, you may be pleasantly surprised.
In automatic, what I don't like is the jerk at shifting (but strangely enough, I like shifting in a manual car), and the CVT gets rid of it.
If you like smooth shifting, you may like the CVT feeling. If you want the sensation of the shifting, you can have it if the car is equiped with paddle shifters (but I think they get rid of it as drivers don't use them anyway).
CVT is the future: fuel efficiency, less maintenance, and no left pedal to deal with in traffic. But to be efficient, it is like driving an hybrid car, it needs some getting used to it.
I like the sensation of shifting, but for me, unless I'm like "racing" I would never use the flappy paddles
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Edmunds did a test drive on the 2010 Altima 3.5SR V6. As expected, it came back with a rather favorable review:
http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/altima/2010/testdrive.html
Fair enough, but so did this.
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/fusion/2010/testdrivemanual.html
For the amount of gas it consumes, it'd need to be a lot quicker. Plus, the SEL doesn't handle that well at all compared to a Sport or an Altima 3.5SR.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Originally Posted By: Pesca
Then, you should testdrive one, you may be pleasantly surprised.
In automatic, what I don't like is the jerk at shifting (but strangely enough, I like shifting in a manual car), and the CVT gets rid of it.
If you like smooth shifting, you may like the CVT feeling. If you want the sensation of the shifting, you can have it if the car is equiped with paddle shifters (but I think they get rid of it as drivers don't use them anyway).
CVT is the future: fuel efficiency, less maintenance, and no left pedal to deal with in traffic. But to be efficient, it is like driving an hybrid car, it needs some getting used to it.
I like the sensation of shifting, but for me, unless I'm like "racing" I would never use the flappy paddles
If you put the transmission in Ds (Drive Sport) mode, it will behave more similarly to a traditional automatic.
You really have to drive one and see. Don't bother driving the four cylinder ones, they are pretty lame in my book. The V6s are the ones that are best matched to the CVT. You'll notice right away that the CVT has an instantaneous response when you hit the throttle.
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Edmunds did a test drive on the 2010 Altima 3.5SR V6. As expected, it came back with a rather favorable review:
http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/altima/2010/testdrive.html
Fair enough, but so did this.
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/fusion/2010/testdrivemanual.html
For the amount of gas it consumes, it'd need to be a lot quicker. Plus, the SEL doesn't handle that well at all compared to a Sport or an Altima 3.5SR.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Originally Posted By: Pesca
Then, you should testdrive one, you may be pleasantly surprised.
In automatic, what I don't like is the jerk at shifting (but strangely enough, I like shifting in a manual car), and the CVT gets rid of it.
If you like smooth shifting, you may like the CVT feeling. If you want the sensation of the shifting, you can have it if the car is equiped with paddle shifters (but I think they get rid of it as drivers don't use them anyway).
CVT is the future: fuel efficiency, less maintenance, and no left pedal to deal with in traffic. But to be efficient, it is like driving an hybrid car, it needs some getting used to it.
I like the sensation of shifting, but for me, unless I'm like "racing" I would never use the flappy paddles
If you put the transmission in Ds (Drive Sport) mode, it will behave more similarly to a traditional automatic.
You really have to drive one and see. Don't bother driving the four cylinder ones, they are pretty lame in my book. The V6s are the ones that are best matched to the CVT. You'll notice right away that the CVT has an instantaneous response when you hit the throttle.
My dad has the '04 Murano with the older CVT and I had it once at work. After work while walking to our cars, my friends noticed and asked about it. A few coworkers piled in and were amazed that with a full car the thing booked it like a v8. I found that they all were doing the lean forward to counter the shift, so when I lifted after an on-ramp and we were going 60, they all exhaled and leaned back. It does take some getting used to, and I believe drive-ability would be better if the pedal were firmer, it's too eager to 'perform.' It also has a sport mode that keeps the revs up and engine-brakes pretty well for a crossover. It should be pretty great in a sedan. He averages 19 in the burbs with premium gas.
I'd probably favor the 2.5 since with a CVT it's like a regular v6 in response, and will chill out and give you better numbers on long trips. My dad's car is in for a seized caliper that's on back-order and his loaner is a 2.5 with the CVT. He was surprised as it's performance well (the murano has a 3.5 with a cvt).
I have found the best way to test a car is a loop of stop and go, a highway merge, and a highway offramp. Nothing will make you more scared that trying to merge in a MY2008 1.8/2.0 Nissan with a cvt, it's screaming and you're not going too much faster... not fun. And the on/offramps will tell you if the v6 in the nose is too heavy and will affect handling. I'm a fan off the 'add lightness' idea that Lotus holds dear.
I'd probably favor the 2.5 since with a CVT it's like a regular v6 in response, and will chill out and give you better numbers on long trips. My dad's car is in for a seized caliper that's on back-order and his loaner is a 2.5 with the CVT. He was surprised as it's performance well (the murano has a 3.5 with a cvt).
I have found the best way to test a car is a loop of stop and go, a highway merge, and a highway offramp. Nothing will make you more scared that trying to merge in a MY2008 1.8/2.0 Nissan with a cvt, it's screaming and you're not going too much faster... not fun. And the on/offramps will tell you if the v6 in the nose is too heavy and will affect handling. I'm a fan off the 'add lightness' idea that Lotus holds dear.
Originally Posted By: brandini
My dad has the '04 Murano with the older CVT and I had it once at work. After work while walking to our cars, my friends noticed and asked about it. A few coworkers piled in and were amazed that with a full car the thing booked it like a v8. I found that they all were doing the lean forward to counter the shift, so when I lifted after an on-ramp and we were going 60, they all exhaled and leaned back. It does take some getting used to, and I believe drive-ability would be better if the pedal were firmer, it's too eager to 'perform.' It also has a sport mode that keeps the revs up and engine-brakes pretty well for a crossover. It should be pretty great in a sedan. He averages 19 in the burbs with premium gas.
I'd probably favor the 2.5 since with a CVT it's like a regular v6 in response, and will chill out and give you better numbers on long trips. My dad's car is in for a seized caliper that's on back-order and his loaner is a 2.5 with the CVT. He was surprised as it's performance well (the murano has a 3.5 with a cvt).
I have found the best way to test a car is a loop of stop and go, a highway merge, and a highway offramp. Nothing will make you more scared that trying to merge in a MY2008 1.8/2.0 Nissan with a cvt, it's screaming and you're not going too much faster... not fun. And the on/offramps will tell you if the v6 in the nose is too heavy and will affect handling. I'm a fan off the 'add lightness' idea that Lotus holds dear.
The first generation Murano's performance is on par with the current 4-cyl Altimas, so it isn't surprising that your dad finds the current Altima's performance to be quite comparable.
The Altima with the V6/CVT on the other hand is a rocket.
My dad has the '04 Murano with the older CVT and I had it once at work. After work while walking to our cars, my friends noticed and asked about it. A few coworkers piled in and were amazed that with a full car the thing booked it like a v8. I found that they all were doing the lean forward to counter the shift, so when I lifted after an on-ramp and we were going 60, they all exhaled and leaned back. It does take some getting used to, and I believe drive-ability would be better if the pedal were firmer, it's too eager to 'perform.' It also has a sport mode that keeps the revs up and engine-brakes pretty well for a crossover. It should be pretty great in a sedan. He averages 19 in the burbs with premium gas.
I'd probably favor the 2.5 since with a CVT it's like a regular v6 in response, and will chill out and give you better numbers on long trips. My dad's car is in for a seized caliper that's on back-order and his loaner is a 2.5 with the CVT. He was surprised as it's performance well (the murano has a 3.5 with a cvt).
I have found the best way to test a car is a loop of stop and go, a highway merge, and a highway offramp. Nothing will make you more scared that trying to merge in a MY2008 1.8/2.0 Nissan with a cvt, it's screaming and you're not going too much faster... not fun. And the on/offramps will tell you if the v6 in the nose is too heavy and will affect handling. I'm a fan off the 'add lightness' idea that Lotus holds dear.
The first generation Murano's performance is on par with the current 4-cyl Altimas, so it isn't surprising that your dad finds the current Altima's performance to be quite comparable.
The Altima with the V6/CVT on the other hand is a rocket.
Consider the 2010 Subaru Legacy in your shopping around. You will have a choice of several engines, including two fours and one six cylinder. The car comes in three trim level options. You can get dual zone air conditioning if your favorite other likes it warmer or colder than you do. Transmission options include a CVT for the four cylinder models and a 5 speed auto for the six. The styling is new this year. Negatives, in my view, include a dull looking black steering wheel on some. The five speed auto gives poorer fuel mileage than six speed autos found on many competitors. The five speed Honda gets good mileage via cylinder disconnect, which the Subaru does not have. Four wheel drive is standard, which may be a plus or a minus for your needs. The car is said to be quiet and to have a good ride. Both true, in my limited drive. You can get the car without a sunroof, even on the top, Limited, model. This is only one of many fine cars under $30,000. Despite dealer hype of limited supply, expect a substantial discount from list.
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