is this oil too heavy?
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Wow, looks like all the big fleet operators should switch from 15W40 to 0W30.
I wonder how they define "begining to work?
I can't think of one engine I've seen that is worn out in the last 10 years, and many never even get an oil change.
I wonder how they define "begining to work?
I can't think of one engine I've seen that is worn out in the last 10 years, and many never even get an oil change.
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Gee the 0w30 oil seems to stop working before 5 minutes have past ?! Even that chart proves my point. Look how many 0w20 and 0w30 oils on it compared to w40 oils ???
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Use it for the warmer half of your 6 month OCI. See how it compares.
Some poor soul in Canada is driving a Ridgeline or a NEON and is pumping motor honey with 5w-20 in their crankcase for a chunk of their winter. You will not be anywhere near his state at start up.
Move to Oz ..and you'll be accused of using "training weight" oil. Sorta like Lite Beer.
lol. Lite beer is for girls. Each oil has its place, and it seems W40 weight oils have more, including countries known for very cold weather.
This is what Motul offers us......... http://www.motul.com.au/product_line_up/4stroke/4stroke01.html
Only 1 0w20 and 0w30 oil. What is the rest all about ?
http://www.mobil1.com.au/products/index.aspx
This is what Mobil 1 offer us here.
http://www.mobil-1.co.uk/cms/Products.aspx
Mobil 1 in the UK, along the same lines as Canada for location.
Use it for the warmer half of your 6 month OCI. See how it compares.
Some poor soul in Canada is driving a Ridgeline or a NEON and is pumping motor honey with 5w-20 in their crankcase for a chunk of their winter. You will not be anywhere near his state at start up.
Move to Oz ..and you'll be accused of using "training weight" oil. Sorta like Lite Beer.
lol. Lite beer is for girls. Each oil has its place, and it seems W40 weight oils have more, including countries known for very cold weather.
This is what Motul offers us......... http://www.motul.com.au/product_line_up/4stroke/4stroke01.html
Only 1 0w20 and 0w30 oil. What is the rest all about ?
http://www.mobil1.com.au/products/index.aspx
This is what Mobil 1 offer us here.
http://www.mobil-1.co.uk/cms/Products.aspx
Mobil 1 in the UK, along the same lines as Canada for location.
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Originally Posted By: BobFout
Apart from that, the chart is also deceptive as the times are relating more to the base oil type, synthetic, hydrocracked or mineral, rather than the visco.
Apart from that, the chart is also deceptive as the times are relating more to the base oil type, synthetic, hydrocracked or mineral, rather than the visco.
Ya, I have watched Ice Road Truckers, and have never heard them mention oil. I have seen them use a heater to get a truck going when they sit too long.
BTW, I hate that Rick guy; He is so full of himself. He sould never be allowed in front of a camera.
BTW, I hate that Rick guy; He is so full of himself. He sould never be allowed in front of a camera.
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BobFout, how do they define "starts working" When I take off my oil filler cap and look at the camshaft on my BMW, the oil starts to spray around within 2-3 seconds of starting the engine with 15W40.
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BobFout, how do they define "starts working" When I take off my oil filler cap and look at the camshaft on my BMW, the oil starts to spray around within 2-3 seconds of starting the engine with 15W40.
You do this at 0*C?
I am not sure what they mean by "starts working" though. What would the farthest lube point in an engine be?
BobFout, how do they define "starts working" When I take off my oil filler cap and look at the camshaft on my BMW, the oil starts to spray around within 2-3 seconds of starting the engine with 15W40.
You do this at 0*C?
I am not sure what they mean by "starts working" though. What would the farthest lube point in an engine be?
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The ice road truckers use 15w40. About every heavy truck/equipment out there uses 15w40. The trucks have block heaters that circulate the water in the jackets to keep them warm enough for them to start. Its not because of the thick oil, its because they are diesels. You remmember the glow plugs on chevy diesels. Ive had big trucks in well below zero, the diesel fuel gelling up and freezing in the filters is much more of a problem then the oil. At the temperatures that 90% of the people operate thier cars on this site, no ones car isnt going to start becuase the oil is too thick. The thin oil is for fuel milelage, not reduced wear. Futhermore I will wager that most Taxi cab/car rentals use 10w30, since it is "alot" cheaper bulk than 5w20 and since profit is thier bussiness, it doesnt take much math. Alot of people would be shocked to know 10w30 goes into everything from quick lubes to dealerships, because its cheaper, so all those cars out there, most are being run on thick oil. Mixed fleets of diesels and gasoline, stock only 15w40, very few, if any stock bulk 5w20. These are the vehicles that get a bazillion hard miles on them by operators. Price it by the drum and you will see why and see if they have it in stock, because they ussually dont, because no one is buying it.
I have worked in the maintenance dept. for a large LTL company and 15w40 is used in every vehicle on a PM schedule. In 20 years i have never seen 1 engine fail because of an oil related issue.
Yard tractors with the cummins 6BT or 6CT take the most abuse, and forklifts sometimes run 24/7 only shutting down during shift change, lunch and breaks.
Talk to maint depts for Fedex, UPS, YRC, Conway, Estes, Old Dominion and ask how many engines on a pm schedule have failed because of oil (not lack of). In California Comercial Vehicles are governed under Title-13 along with the FMCSR(Federal Motor Carrie Safety Regulation).
I am a long time lurker but had to chime in on this subject, as i have knowledge of Carriers going to engine manufactuers and based on oil analysis get the drain intervals extended to periods well beyond original MFG specs.
Yard tractors with the cummins 6BT or 6CT take the most abuse, and forklifts sometimes run 24/7 only shutting down during shift change, lunch and breaks.
Talk to maint depts for Fedex, UPS, YRC, Conway, Estes, Old Dominion and ask how many engines on a pm schedule have failed because of oil (not lack of). In California Comercial Vehicles are governed under Title-13 along with the FMCSR(Federal Motor Carrie Safety Regulation).
I am a long time lurker but had to chime in on this subject, as i have knowledge of Carriers going to engine manufactuers and based on oil analysis get the drain intervals extended to periods well beyond original MFG specs.
Originally Posted By: BobFout
Originally Posted By: vxcalais
Gee the 0w30 oil seems to stop working before 5 minutes have past ?! Even that chart proves my point. Look how many 0w20 and 0w30 oils on it compared to w40 oils ???
Seconds, not minutes.
Sorry Bob, my mistake. Excellent posts in reference to the transport industry. Its clear that 15w40 is widely used around the world, and also in the vehicles which help keep our countries economies and industries going.
Working in the Civil construction field, various companies with their mixed fleets, the foreman and other workers issued with a ute, share the same oil with the plant and trucks once their warranties are over, Caterpillar oils, Valvoline Blue and many other mixed fleet brands, all 15w40 oila, and these cars drive around in dusty conditions all day, start early in the morning during the winter to get the light hours up, stop start, all day long, and are used for personal use in the evenings and weekends. I have not seen these things die from oil related issue. Most unfortunately were taken off from road accidents.
Originally Posted By: vxcalais
Gee the 0w30 oil seems to stop working before 5 minutes have past ?! Even that chart proves my point. Look how many 0w20 and 0w30 oils on it compared to w40 oils ???
Seconds, not minutes.
Sorry Bob, my mistake. Excellent posts in reference to the transport industry. Its clear that 15w40 is widely used around the world, and also in the vehicles which help keep our countries economies and industries going.
Working in the Civil construction field, various companies with their mixed fleets, the foreman and other workers issued with a ute, share the same oil with the plant and trucks once their warranties are over, Caterpillar oils, Valvoline Blue and many other mixed fleet brands, all 15w40 oila, and these cars drive around in dusty conditions all day, start early in the morning during the winter to get the light hours up, stop start, all day long, and are used for personal use in the evenings and weekends. I have not seen these things die from oil related issue. Most unfortunately were taken off from road accidents.
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I was watching an episode of Ice Road Truckers on time and they were showing the garage and there was a whole stockpile of Mobil Delvac jugs.
Originally Posted By: Hemi426
My thoughts are why wouldn't the Ice Road Truckers use synthetic 5w-40 in those conditions?
Too expensive the average truck crankcase holds 10 gallons. Truckers are going to use the least expensive oil to get away with it. I was in trucking for about 15 years and I knew not one truck owner that used a synthetic oil. Some with large fleets went to 10,000 mile oil intervals, this with standard conventional oil, not in over the road applications, but with off road use and short trips with alot of idling, no problems. It was either Drydene(Castrol) or Pennzoil Long life. Some used Delvac, but those first two were the most popular in Pennsyvania among the coal truck tri-axles.
My thoughts are why wouldn't the Ice Road Truckers use synthetic 5w-40 in those conditions?
Too expensive the average truck crankcase holds 10 gallons. Truckers are going to use the least expensive oil to get away with it. I was in trucking for about 15 years and I knew not one truck owner that used a synthetic oil. Some with large fleets went to 10,000 mile oil intervals, this with standard conventional oil, not in over the road applications, but with off road use and short trips with alot of idling, no problems. It was either Drydene(Castrol) or Pennzoil Long life. Some used Delvac, but those first two were the most popular in Pennsyvania among the coal truck tri-axles.
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