Ford 913C/D alternative for 2.0 '13 TDCI Focus
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913c/d is mid saps, roughly equivalent to ACEA A5/B5 of which there will be several variants available. If you want even better, just go to ACEA C3 (or ACEA A3/B4). All these are quite robust Euro specs, so pick the one that matches your price + performance criteria.
Castrol Edge Euro 5w30 should do you just fine.
Castrol Edge Euro 5w30 should do you just fine.
I run 5W30 ACEA C3+VW504/507 nearly everywhere there's a DPF/GPF. I run A3/B4 elsewhere, or the same C3 depending on the circumstances.
Those engines are essentially PSA (Peugeot/Citroën/DS) DW10 blocks with different peripherals and control units. PSA specifies 0W30 ACEA C2 2021+PSA B71 2312 oils, while Ford goes for A5/B5+913D. You can run C3 oils safely 10000 kilometers OCI.
Those engines are essentially PSA (Peugeot/Citroën/DS) DW10 blocks with different peripherals and control units. PSA specifies 0W30 ACEA C2 2021+PSA B71 2312 oils, while Ford goes for A5/B5+913D. You can run C3 oils safely 10000 kilometers OCI.
If there’s no dpf feel free to use a5b5 or a3b4 or c3 will be just as good. A5b5 or A3b4 are roughly equivalent to the older vw 502/505 spec.
If there’s a dpf stick to c3 if a3b4 or c2 if a5b5. Preferably a3b4 or c3 if your car is on a ford / psa duratorq diesel engine
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WSS-M2C-913C or D are heavily based on ACEA A5/B5. They are full SAPS oils which Ford specified for many years on their diesel engines equipped with DPF's and from what I saw, had no real detriment on the DPF itself.
Any ACEA A5/B5 *w30 would do. However, I'd look for something a bit thicker, maybe an A3/B4 or C3 oil instead.
My current go-to is Fuchs titan GT1 XTL Flex 3 5w40. It's a 5w40 ACEA C3 oil with a ton of manufacturer approvals. Can be picked up very cheap too!
Any ACEA A5/B5 *w30 would do. However, I'd look for something a bit thicker, maybe an A3/B4 or C3 oil instead.
My current go-to is Fuchs titan GT1 XTL Flex 3 5w40. It's a 5w40 ACEA C3 oil with a ton of manufacturer approvals. Can be picked up very cheap too!
The 2.0 tdci is a PSA engine, not a Ford engine.
Use A5/B5 5w30
Mobil Super 3000 Formula FE is all you need.
Used that for years in my 2008 Volvo V50 2.0d and in my previous 2005 Ford Mondeo 2.0 tdci, which had the previous 2.0 chain driven engine.
Both vehicles did the thick end of 200k with nothing but regular oil and filter changes
I know. A3B4 will work just fine in this engine is what I meant - as long as there’s no DPF
Where is “here”, and what is “low cost”? Interested in the “(ESP) is readily available here for low cost”… since it’s not really either in the U.S.
Which is funny because when Ford introduced Euro6 cars in India, they switched from 5w30 A5B5 / 913C/D to ACEA C2 0w20
'Needs' is a stretch.
If an A5/B5 lube is specified, then an A3/B4 lube will do just as well, if not better under high load situations.
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I had a 2015 Focus 1.5TDCi which was Euro 6 that specified WSS-M2C-913D (5w30 A5/B5) and then a 2016 Focus 1.5TDCi that specified WSS-M2C950-A (0w30 C2) despite there being no differences between them at all.
Yeah. And funnily enough, api ck4 (or for an older non dpf ford tdci, even an old school ci4+) works just fine. I’m running 15w40 castrol crb turbomax (synblend ck4) on my endeavour (ranger with a suv body, 3.2 liter 5 cylinder diesel) and in fact the engine seems to love it.
Ford have always specced A5/B5 for their diesel engines.
That might have changed in the last few years but was the case in 2014.
5w30 A5/B5
How many Ford diesels or PSA diesels have you owned?
In your opinion
In Ford opinion it’s 5w30 A5/B5 or the Ford 913 spec
When have Ford ever specced A3/B4 ?
My 2005 2.0 TDCi Mondeo (older camchain engine) was 5w30 A5/B5
My 2008 Volvo V50 with the Ford/PSA 2.0 diesel was 5w30 A5/B5
I think some people are confusing their opinion with facts.
What does your 3.2 5 cylinder diesel have to do with the 2.0 TDCi?
Absolutely nothing would be the answer.
That’s like me suggesting the OP should run an oil that I used to put in my no turbo 1.8D Fiesta in 1994.
2006 Mondeo 2.2TDCi
2008 Mondeo 1.8TDCi
2014 Mondeo 1.6TDCi
2015 Focus 1.5TDCi
2016 Focus 1.5TDCi
Plus I've maintained a number of families diesel Ford, all with the 'DV' engines.
The 3.2 litre 5 cylinder engine is from the Puma line of engines. Essentially the same engine your 2005 Mondeo would have had with an extra cylinder lumped on the end.
A5/B5 is a fuel economy version of A3/B4. It is not a downgrade in any way. In fact most of us consider it to be an upgrade. Thicker oils generally protect better.
I can’t top what you have but a 2014 Fiesta 1.5 tdci and then a 2018 Endeavour 3.2 tdci with enough oil changes say that I’m comfortable with my choice of api ck4 or acea a3b4.
Preach it, brother
So all oils are versions of each other then?
So why bother having different oils?
After all they are all the same.
Except nobody wants an oil spec for the 3.2 5 cylinder
It’s the oil spec for a 2013 Ford Focus
Which is 5w30 A5/B5
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