Eggs For Lunch

[hemioiler]

Difference between glucose and insulin spikes.

There are studies which give control groups and diabetics carbs and then carbs with fats (usually animal fats or meat). Insulin spikes much higher when the saturated fats are present and saturated fat impairs pancreatic beta cells function; the cells responsible for insulin production.

All meat diets (carnivore diets) can by themselves lead to a fasting glucose in the pre-diabetic or diabetic range in people who were not previously diabetic. Shawn Baker (all meat advocate), for instance, has shared his blood work while on the carnivore diet and his fasting glucose was right at the low end of "diabetic" despite never eating carbs. Reason is that all of our cells and our brain need glucose so our body produces it. Glucose + high dietary fat = insulin resistance


When a T2 diabetic monitors their blood sugars they are measuring only glucose and not the metabolic health or insulin. IE, high glucose is a symptom and not a disease itself.

For this reason, some low carb diets can seem to lower blood glucose which many falsely interpret as improving or managing T2 diabetes. However, diets rich in whole plant foods actually improve the disease itself as the workload on the beta cells in the pancreas is reduced, lower dietary fats help to reverse some of the intramyocellular lipids, and the fiber in those foods leads to a more gentle insulin response and usually with less insulin needed.


Over years, excess dietary saturated fats accumulate within muscle tissues (intramyocellular lipids) which then block glucose transport creating high blood glucose. By the time a person has this metabolic issue the liver will have been pumping out excess glucose for years and the pancreatic cells will have been working overtime to release insulin. At some point, the pancreas essentially burns out at which point a person is T2 diabetic.

We can follow cohorts or do observational studies on groups/populations and see the clear trend. More animal products/ saturated fat = more likely to be diabetic.

Interventional studies also show improvement on lower fat higher plant food diets.

Simple carbs/processed carbs + saturated fat is a deadly combo which leads to diabetes over the long term.

Wherever you're getting your information from, it's wrong. I suggest you start here:

 

[StumblingElk]

Wherever you're getting your information from, it's wrong. I suggest you start here:

I've studied nutrition for over a decade. My information comes from hundreds of studies , not a TED talk.

There are TED talks about how all meat diets are the best diet and how plant foods are actually bad for our health. Lol

You can do what you please and believe what you want. I will die on this hill bc it is backed by mountains of data and is correct.

Cheers.

 

[Revving2Redline]

If I eat three or four eggs it's highly likely she won't let me in the house for at least 24 hours. You think consumption of eggs is unhealthy; then I have got a new one. Daughter was telling me about what Marines in her previous unit consumed.

 

[Revving2Redline]

I've studied nutrition for over a decade. My information comes from hundreds of studies , not a TED talk.

There are TED talks about how all meat diets are the best diet and how plant foods are actually bad for our health. Lol

You can do what you please and believe what you want. I will die on this hill bc it is backed by mountains of data and is correct.

Cheers.

I might add that if your like me, o blood type is highly acidic so we can consume high amounts of red meat. Genetic/DNA tests can be done to see what foods are best for you. Please talk with your GP,MD, or PA.

 

[hemioiler]

I've studied nutrition for over a decade. My information comes from hundreds of studies , not a TED talk.

There are TED talks about how all meat diets are the best diet and how plant foods are actually bad for our health. Lol

You can do what you please and believe what you want. I will die on this hill bc it is backed by mountains of data and is correct.

Cheers.

Your information is backed by sketchy studies from the sugar industry (like red path). Why do you think the rise of diabetes, heart disease, and auto immune diseases have been spiking in the last 40+ years? Because the current American diet is absolutely terrible for your health. I have no doubt you feel you're right, I've had one or two family docs flip out when they hear what I've been doing because apparently people can't change their mind and reverse course when new data arrives. The bloodwork never lies though.

My information comes from many sources, the one I listed was only the one that started my journey and opened my eyes. Having had gut/health issues for 30 years and trying many different things including every diet out there, there is one universal truth in my body: sugar (and to a lesser extent, carbs) just wrecks me. Doesn't matter for me too much whether it's low fodmap, or keto, or paleo etc, what matters is how much carbs/sugar I consume. The rest of the diet differences are just fine tuning.

Thankfully the data can't be denied forever. I had a few visits with a prominent GI specialist attached to a university in my area, and they're finally getting into it; low fodmap diets, sibo testing etc.

I get it, a lot of this stuff feels like flaky "alternative medicine", but a lot of it actually isn't. Again, the bloodwork doesn't lie.

 

[Hall]

Welcome to BITOG, your source of medical and health information ! Surprised these posts are still here....

 

[StumblingElk]

Your information is backed by sketchy studies from the sugar industry (like red path). Why do you think the rise of diabetes, heart disease, and auto immune diseases have been spiking in the last 40+ years? Because the current American diet is absolutely terrible for your health. I have no doubt you feel you're right, I've had one or two family docs flip out when they hear what I've been doing because apparently people can't change their mind and reverse course when new data arrives. The bloodwork never lies though.

My information comes from many sources, the one I listed was only the one that started my journey and opened my eyes. Having had gut/health issues for 30 years and trying many different things including every diet out there, there is one universal truth in my body: sugar (and to a lesser extent, carbs) just wrecks me. Doesn't matter for me too much whether it's low fodmap, or keto, or paleo etc, what matters is how much carbs/sugar I consume. The rest of the diet differences are just fine tuning.

Thankfully the data can't be denied forever. I had a few visits with a prominent GI specialist attached to a university in my area, and they're finally getting into it; low fodmap diets, sibo testing etc.

I get it, a lot of this stuff feels like flaky "alternative medicine", but a lot of it actually isn't. Again, the bloodwork doesn't lie.

Your information is backed by sketchy studies from the sugar industry (like red path). Why do you think the rise of diabetes, heart disease, and auto immune diseases have been spiking in the last 40+ years? Because the current American diet is absolutely terrible for your health. I have no doubt you feel you're right, I've had one or two family docs flip out when they hear what I've been doing because apparently people can't change their mind and reverse course when new data arrives. The bloodwork never lies though.

My information comes from many sources, the one I listed was only the one that started my journey and opened my eyes. Having had gut/health issues for 30 years and trying many different things including every diet out there, there is one universal truth in my body: sugar (and to a lesser extent, carbs) just wrecks me. Doesn't matter for me too much whether it's low fodmap, or keto, or paleo etc, what matters is how much carbs/sugar I consume. The rest of the diet differences are just fine tuning.

Thankfully the data can't be denied forever. I had a few visits with a prominent GI specialist attached to a university in my area, and they're finally getting into it; low fodmap diets, sibo testing etc.

I get it, a lot of this stuff feels like flaky "alternative medicine", but a lot of it actually isn't. Again, the bloodwork doesn't lie.

...these studies show sugar isn't healthy. They aren't funded by big sugar. Perhaps Big Broccoli has stepped up and is funding all this research on sulforaphane !

By the same token has it ever occurred to you that the meat, egg, and dairy industry funds studies with predetermined outcomes with the goal of confusing the consumer?

We get such wonderful studies as comparing egg to sausage mcmuffins as I stated earlier

 

[hemioiler]

...these studies show sugar isn't healthy. They aren't funded by big sugar. Perhaps Big Broccoli has stepped up and is funding all this research on sulforaphane !

By the same token has it ever occurred to you that the meat, egg, and dairy industry funds studies with predetermined outcomes with the goal of confusing the consumer?

We get such wonderful studies as comparing egg to sausage mcmuffins as I stated earlier

If you would have watched the YT video I posted (for example, there are many, many others as well), you'd see that a certified medical doc is reversing type 2 diabetes using very low carb. If you'd read my post more carefully you'd have read that a GI specialist has been helping me. These are highly trained and experienced medical docs, not quacks or chiros or naturopathic docs etc (though funny enough, it's the chiros and naturopathic docs that have been saying this for many years now). And if you'd read more carefully you'd realize that a lot of my position is based on 30 years of fixing my own personal health issues, the diets I've tried, and the results I've gotten backed up by bloodwork along the way. None of this is "paid by anybody". The end result is; sugar and carbs cause inflammation and ultimately, disease, and the "high sugar, low fat" diet is the complete opposite of what we need to be eating, which is "no sugar, low carbs, high fat".

Anyway, you're welcome to hold your position as long as you like, but I'm moving on from this thread.

 

[Astro14]

This has gone from “I have learned to cook eggs in my new pan” to a health debate. Bob is not the medical guy.

Further, we’re getting into inane bickering; frequent posts on the subject from a guy that seasons his kitchen counters with transmission parts and fluid.

Lock time.