Depression

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I have had similar experiences to Al and Stelth.

Get professional help my friend!

A good physician should follow a path similar to this;

1. Deal with physical issues first.
2. Refer you to therapy.
3. Therapist/psychologist does his or her thing and may arrange for prescription meds if he or she feels it is necessary.

One thing I learned is that depression is not one of those things that "positive thinking" will always fix. If positive thinking is all it took, we would all get around to fixing ourselves.
When a solid case of depression hits, professional help may be the best thing ever.

No shame in expressing yourself. You took a step towards dealing with it. Keep moving forward and get help.

Private message me if you want. I haven't used PM on forums before, but I will learn.

Get well.
 
Vitamin B12 has helped me tremendously.

There are many articles on B12 helping depression on the internet like this one-

https://wellnessmama.com/36091/vitamin-b12-deficiency/

I take a lot. I just use the time release B12 from Wal-Mart and it works great. I found it would keep me awake if I took it in the evening until I got used to it. Also, I started with a small amount.

Helps me think clearer and elevates my mood about 10 fold.
 
Car51, you might be going through some cabin fever (lets hope). Its been a long winter here in PA, seems to be no end in site. I'm going through the same thing myself. There's so much I want to do, but it is too darn cold!

And to the people suggesting getting rid of his Camry, are you all serious? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on here.
 
Originally Posted By: Delta
Car51, you might be going through some cabin fever (lets hope). Its been a long winter here in PA, seems to be no end in site. I'm going through the same thing myself. There's so much I want to do, but it is too darn cold!

And to the people suggesting getting rid of his Camry, are you all serious? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on here.


I agree that people saying to get rid of Camry is silly.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: dave1251
You have taken the first and most difficult step in acknowledging something isn't right.


+1 ... car51, don't be afraid to talk about how you're feeling. The more you talk and analysis, and understand the situation, the easier it will be to find the solution.


There's a LOT of knowledge in this body of members.....

we ALL live "life"...
and many of us have the same experiences we can share.

Originally Posted By: Oil_Flunky
Yes, you did the right thing by posting this on BITOG. It's a help forum.


ABSOLUTELY! People suffering from depression often take the worst step imaginable - by NOT reaching out!

Make a list EVERY DAY of things you want to do that day -
people need "purpose" in life.
One of the ways you find purpose is cutting and pasting photos of oil filters,
and that helps your sense of being.

But, try to engage in other activities. Skating/hockey is a great start.

Developing personal relationships can be difficult at times, but get to know your neighbors a little better if you can. That's a good starting point.

Get involved in a "church family" - that can be HUGE.

Try something WAAAAY "off the wall" - join a quilting club or something with a lot of women in it.
Even if they are married or not your type/age, this DOES HELP.
A LOT.
When I worked in an aerospace wiring harness shop, it was like 80% women working in there.
That was the best working time in my life!
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
I agree that people saying to get rid of Camry is silly.


Keep the Camry - get a motorcycle, too though!
 
Get David D.Burns,M.D. "Feeling Good", The New Mood Therapy. You can't change the world but you can look at things in different ways. If you do decide to finding a therapist, be sure you haven't got hooked up with a John Bradshaw, Toxic Shame practitioner. Therapy that does not address what is wrong right now is not effective therapy.
 
Previous Poster mentioned Jordan Peterson...here's 2 minutes.



I liked it...Can't be happy 24/7. Lack of emotion is a shallow life.

And if you want to feel better, google Jordan Peterson Cathy Newman interview.
 
The Little Things

The best things in life are the little things
That surround us every day
The glow of the dawn, the song of the birds,
The laughter of children at play.

With all of man’s powers he can’t match the flowers,
Their fragrance afloat on a breeze.
Butterfly wings are such beautiful things
Why it even feels good just to sneeze!

Sometimes it seems we get lost in our schemes
And feel crushed by life’s arrows and slings.
But all of our sorrows will pass with tomorrows
If we just tune in life’s little things.
 
Originally Posted By: Delta
And to the people suggesting getting rid of his Camry, are you all serious? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on here.


There's probably at least 6 ridiculous things said on here every day, I'm sure that there are even people here who believe 6 impossible things before breakfast. I don't think that even qualifies for the top 10. The most ridiculous things said end up getting the thread locked and we're no where near that.
 
My advice might be unconventional but I would second the other suggestions about any kind of vigorous and frequent exercise. In addition, I would recommend meditation and try some mushrooms.
 
Ya'll up there are having some Winter...even Winter into Spring. Lack of enough sunlight can definitely affect your mood. Physical exercise is a good antidote to depression. It gets you out of your head, gives it a rest while you workout your body. Animals also help.
 
Cars51, I commend you for being open and reaching out! There's a been a lot of really good advice offered here, and I want to thank all of you, the BITOG community at large, for your comments. Once again, you've proven to be a compassionate and wise bunch. (But Cars51, no, I wouldn't get rid of the Camry! I'm sure that was said in jest. What IS depressing is a car that breaks down regularly.)

Besides anything else that any of us have said or will say here, I want to reinforce what several others have already said, that you should see at least your family doctor for a start, and consider professional counseling, etc., from there.

So having said that, here's my eight farthings (two cents):

Others have mentioned Vitamin D - it is essential, and we get very little naturally (from sunlight) here in the winter. So, October into at least April, I pop at least one pill (1000 IU) daily, and sometimes more.

Vitamin B - I didn't know about this, but it looks I should be taking supplements - I am near-vegetarian, and seldom eat any red meat, which looks to be the best source. I do take a multivitamin for old geezers; I just checked and it does contain a range of B vitamins.

Omega 3 fatty acids - I grind flax seeds every morning and eat them with my mush (oatmeal). Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the flax oil contains ALA, which the body metabolizes to form DHA and EPA. Fatty cold-water fish (salmon, mackerel, etc.) already contain DHA and EPA. I prefer to go the flax route. The ground flax goes rancid very quickly, so I prefer to grind the flax right before eating it.

Our short winter days can definitely be a downer - around the winter solstice, the sun is not rising until almost 8:30, and sets before 4:30. It's dark when I get to work, and dark when I leave. BUT, I almost always got out for a walk with some of my buddies. We do about 3.4 km (a bit over 2 miles). (I keep forgetting; this is a bit past-tense, as I retired at the end of January.) This is not about getting Vitamin D from the sun - it's about getting enough light to stimulate the pineal gland. (Apparently the skull is relatively translucent, and lots of light penetrates besides through the eyes.) We have a SAD light as well - the brightness of the light, not its source, is what is important.

Exercise is absolutely vital - unfortunately, when you're feeling rotten, exercise is about the last thing you want to do. Make yourself start something. I'm glad you're out playing hockey - I'm jealous; I played for a number of years, and still miss it. I used to run a lot as well, did a number of marathons, but that takes a toll. I now enjoy skating on the river trail, ride a fat bike in the winter, and a mountain bike or a hybrid three season.

I'm glad you're in a relationship - we are, by nature, social creatures, and it's good to have someone to share our lives with. Besides your wife or girlfriend, it's good to have other friends. I'm very fortunate that way - I was quite close to a number of my coworkers, and have good friends from church and past jobs. But, friendships do take time - I am aware that I need to invest in them to keep them healthy.

I'm fortunate in that my wife and I have a very good relationship and are able to laugh together quite a lot. Speaking of which, it's great to be able to laugh about something until you cry. I don't know if laughter is the best medicine, but it sure helps! (My friend sent me a very abusive thing about our Prime Minister today, and I laughed myself silly.)

Different friends fill different roles - I've got my buddies to discuss ancient sporting events with, to wrench with, to cycle and run with, to talk theology and rant about politics with, and to swap books with.

Animal friends can be very good - we lost our beautiful rescue dogs a few years ago, but now have a pair of fine farm cats. (I've gone from dogs who adored me to cats who tolerate me.)

I don't want to violate the R part of RSP, but have found that being part of a faith community to be excellent for my well-being. Part of that is learning to be thankful for one's blessings. I'm getting better at that.

Meaningful work is important - I was proud of my company (a hydro-electric utility) and the work I did there. It's about more than the money - if your work is not satisfying, look around for something that is.

Hobbies are great - I love wrenching on our vehicles (no surprise on this forum) including our bikes, love to build things (new stairs for the deck, planters, etc.), enjoy house wiring, like studying math and electronics nerd stuff, reading fiction, and so on. What do you like to do? If you're not really sure where your interests lie, consider taking aptitude testing - this was a long time ago, but in university I took something called the MMPI in which my responses were compared to those of people in different professions who purported to be very happy in their professions, and the counselor was then able help me sort out who I really was.

I went through a devastating loss a few years ago, and doubted that I'd survive it; I think only my obligation to loved ones kept me hanging on. I say that not for pity but to say that some while later I was installing a hitch on a unibody car, which involved an intricate procedure of installing bolts blind through channels. When I got it, this satisfaction surged through me, and I realized it was the first time in quite awhile I'd felt anything except unbearable pain. Wrenching (or probably anythng else constructive and tangible) can do that for you.

This was over five years ago, and life has gotten much better. It will never be the same, but we've done some wonderful bike trips, I've blundered through a number of tricky car repairs, we've gained a lovely daughter-in-law, and recently a beautiful granddaughter, and I was able to finish my career with pride.

I guess I'm saying that things do get better. Please PM me if you want to correspond directly.

Sorry for such a long blathery post - I hope some of it was helpful. Please keep us informed as to how you're doing! My sincere best wishes to you, Cars51! (P.S. Keep yer stick on the ice!)
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I am not a professional, but I am a father, brother and best friend to people with various mental health issues (covering complete spectrum of severity). It's all around us, should be talked about as yor would talk about the common cold, flue or band-aid injury.

Sad, lonely, other negative thoughts and emotions that can consume your daily life, these are symptoms that you are recognising and understanding.
It can help to find and discover the things that trigger these; try and find the causes, you will probably never succeed in eradicating, but hopefully you can develop copying mechanisms and techniques, be able to better understand yourself and be able to reactive more positively when you have bad moments and be proactive to plan have a better life.

There are many suggestions of good strategies and ideas to help here, so I won't repeat, good luck.

PS, similar to Number_35, thank respondents for the great attitude towards car51 and mental health in general.
 
Originally Posted By: car51
Good Saturday afternoon BITOG faithful. So, I am 38 and attached but sometimes very depressed. Dunno if it's work or something else. Any ideas to help improve this? I do go for walks at local park often and ice skate at ice rink nearby and shoo some pucks at nets as I'm a diehard Penguins fan


Thank you all in advance

Maybe I should buy some vintage records to help me relax more


Do you sometimes feel sad, or are you clinically depressed? These are very different things and you need to see if you need to go to a specialist.

Start here and see what makes sense.

https://depression.org.nz/is-it-depression-anxiety/self-test/
 
I've suffered horribly from depression to the point that I was once committed to a psychiatric hospital for 3 days observation. It can be an incredibly dehanilitating affliction.

I know that everyone is different and no two people react in the same way to the same treatment, so I am only sharing my personal experience and not necessarily recommending anything. With that being said the most important thing to have are
1. The love and support of close friends
2. Dogs
3. A cool car (motorbike for some)
4. Good weed (beer for some)

But even more important than those four things is a thought or phrase
'you can't change the situation or the things that have happened, but you CAN change the way you thnk about them'

This got me through my bad times and back to normal.


OP feel free to message me if you want to talk or vent or whatever.
 
Lots of excellent advice above, going from self help advice to seeking professional help. I'll add mine. The 30's are difficult times for many men because they are at a cross roads of figuring things out: marriage, family, career, etc.. Many don't realize that clinical depression is not unlike a physical ailment such as diabetes. It's not always "in your head" and can be "fixed" by thinking it away, pulling oneself up by the bootstraps, and/or applying lifestyle changes. It can literally be caused by "poor brain circuitry" caused by numerous things, one being improper brain chemistry to achieve proper "brain circuit" operation. Many are in denial about the possibility of this being a physical affliction.

- Most general doctors are not experts on this and will often prescribe a medicine in knee-jerk fashion. Step 1, get a referral.
- Only psychiatrists can evaluate and prescribe medications for this (not psychologists/counselors). Step 2 of the plan - see a proper psychiatrist.
- Often a combination of medication and counseling is effective. Sometimes you can wean yourself off the meds. Step 3 - counselor/psychologist. Cognitive therapy is one form of many types of counseling that re-educates you how to process your thoughts and reactions better.
- It is very difficult to find a good counselor/psychologist that works for you. Don't be afraid to comparison shop.

Hang in there, but do something to effect the improvement. Best of luck to you!
 
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