Which was the point I was trying to make.Doesn't have to be as thick if there is twice as much area.
Which was the point I was trying to make.Doesn't have to be as thick if there is twice as much area.
Came across like a "bad thing".Which was the point I was trying to make.
i see. I was referencing their website. That’s the confusing part about product changes and boxes or websites being inaccurate.Not so sure it has the wire backing anymore. The box is like the new Ultra where the line that said wire backed media is now the "perfect seal gasket" description.
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Not so sure it has the wire backing anymore. The box is like the new Ultra where the line that said wire backed media is now the "perfect seal gasket" description.
Only way to know would to actually look at them to see if the wire backed meida can be seen through the holes in the center tube.i see. I was referencing their website. That’s the confusing part about product changes and boxes or websites being inaccurate.
Did the Titanium box ever say it had wire backed synthetic media?FWIW every FS7317 and other Titanium filters that I have checked at AAP to date still have wire backed media, old stock who knows? That being said one of the key distinctive elements of the Titanium is that it uses a thicker "perfect seal" gasket that has always been promoted as being exclusive to that filter versus the Ultra and it has always been highlighted on the box (literally in orange).
Did the Titanium box ever say it had wire backed synthetic media?
Doesn't have to be as thick if there is twice as much area.
Did the Titanium box ever say it had wire backed synthetic media?
Not that I recall, I do have an old Titanium box from two years ago that I keep certain sockets in at my shop out in the middle of cow country. I'll have to check it and get back to you after I go out there this weekend.
That's from Andrew's ISO test, but we would have to see the same model of the new Ultra tested the same exact way to know what's changed in performance between old vs new Ultra.The older filter media was real full synthetic media that was more efficient.
99.6 percent at 15 microns.
Not really. Fram shows the new Ultra efficiency is still at "99%+ @ 20μ", where as the TG was never shown as that. Also, the up to max mileage rating (ie, holding capacity) is still different between the TG (15K) and XG (20K), so it's not the "same filter".The new one is a tg...
Jay never said what filter model that reference efficiency was for. At that low of a micron size, the size of the filter could be a factor. Per the preliminary info from Fram, the same filter model showed an increase in efficiency at 15 and 10 microns.Now if it was say 75 percent or say 60 percent at 15 microns.... Then it would NOT have verified what Jay said. .
Nice find. Probably an M1 clone. Which would mean 99% at 30micron. The PH2867XL on RA is currently listed for just $3.38! If I wasn’t desiring that efficiency at 25micron or better, I’d consider it for the value alone. Again, assuming it’s the same media as the M1.@ltslimjim check out the Champ XL PH2867XL which is commonly had from Rock Auto.
Champ XL
I ordered 12 of these filters off Amazon. Seem like a well made filter, the louvers are open well. Seems like Champ labeled Mobil1 filter. The only thing I’m leery of is the production date. When the other 11 come in, I’ll see what the date codes are on them. Any reason not to run them?bobistheoilguy.com
Cool proof pic bbhero. I didn't follow the AAP Titanium intro that closely, mostly because I thought and still think the inlet hole shape deal, a gimmick. So, would not pay more for AAP Titan than the "OG (and by far the best) Ultra" made by Fram.Here's the pictures of it....
We've been TOLD, in an e-mail that had numerous errors about the construction of the old filter, that the new was was supposedly more efficient. I would like to see it actually tested by @Ascent Filtration Testing to see how it compares.xg7317 as these figures are from the older one. Newer one has even better numbers.
Would you all like to see ISO 4548-12 Oil Filter Lab Testing Comparison, Efficiency & Capacity, Pressure vs Flow, Bubble Point, and Burst?
I have this as a “watched” thread, so if you do happen to start a new one, could you put a note or link in this one to direct followers to the new thread? Thanks!! Yes, no problem I can do that.bobistheoilguy.com
You beat me to it. True multi-layer depth filtration media cannot be compared on a surface area basis with cellulose or a synthetic blend media.Media area on the new Ultra went up in order to maintain holding capacity and the up to 20K mile rating. Can't directly compare full synthetic and non-synthetic media area, two different animals.