Chinese influence in our backyard

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Originally Posted by gathermewool
Originally Posted by mk378
Did the signs say "This Hotel Proudly Financed by Central Bank of China", or "Welcome Chinese Tourists" ? My bet is the latter.


Curious. How big is the Chinese middle-class now?

Pretty big. Probably bigger than the American middle class, although there is a difference in buying power in China vs the US. And there is a huge income disparity. A few Chinese-American friends of mine are thinking of possibly retiring or at least living part of the year in China where they can hire servants cheap. I've worked with people from China. One in particular said you can have a middle-class existence or live a working-class existence where many items are cheaper if one is willing to live with lower quality. However, that doesn't necessarily translate to coming to the US and having the same buying power. A middle class family in China probably isn't comparable to one in the US, but that's more of an exchange rate phenomena. However, there's an upper class now of business owners that can afford to buy homes in the US with cash. They're part of the reason why modest homes in the San Francisco Bay Area or Southern California are going for $1.5 million. Many even sit empty rather than being rented out for income. I've heard of Chinese buyers having agents buying them homes sight unseen.

And India has a similar income disparity. I remember an Indian friend of mine telling me about a visitor coming to his apartment. The first thing his visitor asked was "where are your servants?"

Chinese companies are buying ads all over, even for spaces where there might not necessarily be a huge awareness among mainland Chinese. Not sure exactly what this is at TD Garden for a Bruins game, but there's something between W.B. Mason and JetBlue.

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I get that the NBA is popular in China. Just watch almost any NBA game and you'll some ad in Chinese, whether it's just flashing through an electronic sign or even static ones on the backstops.
 
It seems as if people forget how weak we were during our isolationist days, just prior to entering World War 2. We adhered to limited fleet force levels AND THEN SOME.

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The Chinese will never have a military foothold, let alone presence in the Caribbean. To even make the assertion that this is possible is ridiculous.
 
Originally Posted by fdcg27
mk378 said:
How would China resupply this base while we control the Panama Canal? ]

You're kidding, right?
Given China's vast shipping capacity, sending container ships the long was around would be no problem at all.
They'd have no need of the canal.


Xi Jinping was just in Panama...? There is no way in **** any military supplies are going thru there unless its ours!


One word, submarine...

One must keep in mind that for every aircraft carrier and all of its supporting vessels, there are two or three "escort" Los Angeles Class Nuclear Submarines that can do more damage in a shorter period of time than any aircraft carrier can do, you just rarely hear about these "escort" sub's because we never have to use them. We keep them quiet as possible, insurance policy. Then there are the ageing Ohio class that will be retiring, but is still king of the sea till the Columbia-class boomer submarines replace them. The Ohio class subs can destroy the whole world...Total of 18 Ohio class subs. At any time, 2/4 are out of commission.
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Originally Posted by KneeGrinder
Originally Posted by fdcg27
mk378 said:
How would China resupply this base while we control the Panama Canal? ]

You're kidding, right?
Given China's vast shipping capacity, sending container ships the long was around would be no problem at all.
They'd have no need of the canal.


Xi Jinping was just in Panama...? There is no way in **** any military supplies are going thru there unless its ours!


One word, submarine...

One must keep in mind that for every aircraft carrier and all of its supporting vessels, there are two or three "escort" Los Angeles Class Nuclear Submarines that can do more damage in a shorter period of time than any aircraft carrier can do, you just rarely hear about these "escort" sub's because we never have to use them. We keep them quiet as possible, insurance policy. Then there are the ageing Ohio class that will be retiring, but is still king of the sea till the Columbia-class boomer submarines replace them. The Ohio class subs can destroy the whole world...Total of 18 Ohio class subs. At any time, 2/4 are out of commission.


Not to mention VA-class attack subs and the upcoming boomer-replacements, the Columbia-class, which are significantly more capable.
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Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted by PimTac
Nothing new here. Chinese have been investing in real estate for many years. Some cities like Seattle and Vancouver B.C. have had huge Chinese investments. Hotels, condos, etc.



California coast as a whole has heavy Chinese investment in REO. Why else do people think prices have been rising so high in the western states?


It happening in D/FW also..... BAD.

Whole entire real estate agencies are being setup to cater to Chinese investors ONLY - - and they are FLUSH with cash!!!

You can't buy a house in Dallas or Fort Worth for ANY reasonable price right now!!
 
Fogetaboutit. They will launch from the dark side of the moon.
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Actually, the Chinese are already deeply entrenched into the Carribean. Why would they want to attack America? They own over a Trillion dollars in US government bonds. You don't attack the country that owes you money.
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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Fogetaboutit. They will launch from the dark side of the moon.
smile.gif


Actually, the Chinese are already deeply entrenched into the Carribean. Why would they want to attack America? They own over a Trillion dollars in US government bonds. You don't attack the country that owes you money.
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The military stuff they have is really more about prestige than anything else. For decades the PRC wanted to be taken seriously. They've always hated that people around the world had looked at them as practically third-world and a wannabe. And now they're flush with cash to spend on developing their military and throwing around money to make friends.

Not sure about building a 5th gen fighter though. Unless they can figure out how to make engines on par with GE/Rolls/Pratt they're simply going to be show pieces.
 
Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Fogetaboutit. They will launch from the dark side of the moon.
smile.gif


Actually, the Chinese are already deeply entrenched into the Carribean. Why would they want to attack America? They own over a Trillion dollars in US government bonds. You don't attack the country that owes you money.
laugh.gif




Right, they want to take it over!

Japan I believe is the largest holder of US bonds at this time. Well, besides our own treasury, don't get me started on that one!

China did own well over 4.5 trillion in US bonds, they have not been reinvesting in new debt for 4 or 5 years, in fact they even covertly sold some of the bonds they held in Europe and tried to hide it, think they sold them in maybe Switzerland or one of those countries right there. They did get outted! They own an estimated 1 trillion at this time. So they have been preparing for some time, they are playing the long game as someone said.

Government bonds can, and very well would be suspended, or voided if China had a declared war with the US, but they owe us as much as we owe them...This thread going south, sorry!


Their economy will crash long before, just like the Japanize economy did in 1991/92? China is so over extended its not even funny, their time will come, personally I'm on a boycott, I don't care what anyone else thinks, it only matters what I feel that matters to me!
 
Originally Posted by y_p_w
Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Fogetaboutit. They will launch from the dark side of the moon.
smile.gif


Actually, the Chinese are already deeply entrenched into the Carribean. Why would they want to attack America? They own over a Trillion dollars in US government bonds. You don't attack the country that owes you money.
laugh.gif


The military stuff they have is really more about prestige than anything else. For decades the PRC wanted to be taken seriously. They've always hated that people around the world had looked at them as practically third-world and a wannabe. And now they're flush with cash to spend on developing their military and throwing around money to make friends.

Not sure about building a 5th gen fighter though. Unless they can figure out how to make engines on par with GE/Rolls/Pratt they're simply going to be show pieces.



They have no real world experience using it...lol
 
Originally Posted by gathermewool
It seems as if people forget how weak we were during our isolationist days, just prior to entering World War 2. We adhered to limited fleet force levels AND THEN SOME.

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The Chinese will never have a military foothold, let alone presence in the Caribbean. To even make the assertion that this is possible is ridiculous.


I agree with you. Not understanding how Chinese owned resorts in the Caribbean translates to shift in geographical military advantage.
 
The chinese are in the Pacific islands as well - Tonga, Samoa (not American Samoa), Kwajalein and others. They are gifting money or projects to the local governments and negotiating lease rents.
 
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Of course, why is it any of our business which countries China invests their money in, and why do we think of these independent countries as our "backyard".
 
Originally Posted by fdcg27

The Chinese are playing the long game and we can ill afford to allow them to gain a foothold in our backyard.
Without some efforts by our government, there will be at least one Chinese base within the next decade.

Seems kind of immaterial since Chinese are colonizing USA and Canada anyway through (legal and illegal) immigration.

A surprising number of people are perfectly fine with endless millions of people from China immigrating to their country at a fast rate "as long as they do it legally." Tibet didn't like that.

Many people have a "Magic Dirt" romanticist theory about such things. That anyone, from any country, from any culture, no matter how dissimilar, just needs to step one foot on western civilization soil and they're going to magically and easily give up their old values and culture.
 
Originally Posted by DejaVue
Originally Posted by fdcg27

The Chinese are playing the long game and we can ill afford to allow them to gain a foothold in our backyard.
Without some efforts by our government, there will be at least one Chinese base within the next decade.

Seems kind of immaterial since Chinese are colonizing USA and Canada anyway through (legal and illegal) immigration.

A surprising number of people are perfectly fine with endless millions of people from China immigrating to their country at a fast rate "as long as they do it legally." Tibet didn't like that.

Many people have a "Magic Dirt" romanticist theory about such things. That anyone, from any country, from any culture, no matter how dissimilar, just needs to step one foot on western civilization soil and they're going to magically and easily give up their old values and culture.



Not sure what you're saying here. Did you want to bring back the Chinese exclusion act? The Chinese were in the US back in the 1850's building the railroads and during the gold rush. If it weren't for the Chinese exclusion act, the number of people from China could be a lot higher in this country. It was the first law to prohibit a specific ethic or nationality from emigrating to the US.

It was only repealed in 1943 when it looked bad that an ally of the US during WWII wasn't allowed to immigrate to the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act
 
Originally Posted by KneeGrinder
Originally Posted by y_p_w
Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Fogetaboutit. They will launch from the dark side of the moon.
smile.gif


Actually, the Chinese are already deeply entrenched into the Carribean. Why would they want to attack America? They own over a Trillion dollars in US government bonds. You don't attack the country that owes you money.
laugh.gif


The military stuff they have is really more about prestige than anything else. For decades the PRC wanted to be taken seriously. They've always hated that people around the world had looked at them as practically third-world and a wannabe. And now they're flush with cash to spend on developing their military and throwing around money to make friends.

Not sure about building a 5th gen fighter though. Unless they can figure out how to make engines on par with GE/Rolls/Pratt they're simply going to be show pieces.



They have no real world experience using it...lol


Yep. And even if they did, well this quote comes to mind: "A serious problem in planning against American doctrine is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine."
 
I have a relative and acquaintances involved with various African countries. They say the Chinese are also very active there in buying more valuable real estate in natural and ag resources. Even the former Indian shop owners seem to be supplanted by Chinese.
 
The US will do fine, it used to be the Japanese doing the same thing. That being said our US dollars invested and yes aid packages even to unfriendly places keeps the world a better place to the US. Otherwise someone else swoops in.
 
They are investing in so much tech, but meanwhile they haven't bounced back up from the 2008 crash.. I believe their numbers are somewhere around 40% whereas the US is 200% recovery. If you had $100,000 in China in 2008, you now have $40,000. In the US, you now have $200,000.

I don't get it.
 
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