Bob is the "Synthetic" oil guy

[wemay]

Sometimes i wonder how much of an oil website Bob's truly is. Sure, there are those on here who vehemently defended the capabilities of Conventional oil like Dnewton3, Dave1251 and a few others, but for the most part it seems conventional oils are seen in a very poor light by a large number of bitogers...

Some of the misconceptions:

-If you winter above the Carolina's, synthetic is needed for proper warm-up.

-If you summer south of the Carolina's, synthetic is needed due to the hot and humid summers.

-If using conventional, varnish and sludge are almost certainly going to happen with detrimental effects.

-Because synthetic is recommended in Europe, it must be better. Even if not recommended for your application in the new world.

-Synthetic undoubtedly protects better than conventional at any OCI. In other words, if you want your vehicle to reach 300K miles, its not even a question.

In celebrating the benefits of synthetics where they are needed (and there clearly are benefits), many members attempt to knock down the usefulness of conventional oils to the point where if you didn't know better, you'd think that only synthetics are getting all the R&D and improvements and "dino" has been frozen in time since 1975.

 

[Nickdfresh]

Why does anyone care what others view as ideal?

 

[eljefino]

It's egomania that someone is just so "tough" for walking through the parking lot between one's climate-controlled office to their car which "suffers" at 105'F or 20'F. Heck, if they're so brave, the machinery needs an extra boost, too.

 

[4wheeldog]

Why use conventional, when you have to change it more often and live with somewhat inferior overall performance?

Nothing wrong with conventional, for many uses......Synthetic just does a superior job, for very little extra money.

What advantage do conventionals have over synthetics, other than maybe 20% lower cost? My time is worth something.

 

[mrsilv04]

I've nearly abandoned using Synthetic in the past two years.

The only vehicle that I still use synthetic (T6) in, is a motorcycle with a shared sump... where shearing is a valid concern.

Everything else now gets either conventional or a synthetic blend.

When it was shown that a syn-blend (Pennzoil Gold) could pass dexos certification, that was all that I needed to see.

 

[4wheeldog]

Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
I've nearly abandoned using Synthetic in the past two years.

The only vehicle that I still use synthetic (T6) in, is a motorcycle with a shared sump... where shearing is a valid concern.

Everything else now gets either conventional or a synthetic blend.

When it was shown that a syn-blend (Pennzoil Gold) could pass dexos certification, that was all that I needed to see.


Not to rain on your party, but......I believe that shared sump systems have shown synthetic to shear more than the conventional.......At least in the case of HDEO. Maybe you should be using T5, instead of T6.

 

[slacktide_bitog]

The gap between dino and synthetic has narrowed. In fact, SN "dino" is actually synthetic blend since the SN standards are more demanding than in the past.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
The only vehicle that I still use synthetic (T6) in, is a motorcycle with a shared sump... where shearing is a valid concern.

Kind of ironic, as the T6 is not very shear stable in those applications.

 

[Bud]

In the end it should not make any difference what anyone thinks other than yourself. Even though I enjoy the forums, I surely would not base my buying decisions based on this site. My truck takes a 5w20. I believe if you lined up all the different ones and just chose at random while blindfolded, my vehicle would still out last my desire to keep it. Synthetic or otherwise.

 

[bbhero]

I believe you are spot on with your analysis. The CCS of Quaker State is interestingly low in the PQIA last test just a month ago.

Wemay is quite correct in his thinking on this. Now I have run full synthetic oil in my cars since 2002. But since I have been on here I have learned that conventionals are really quite good in these days. I have to say that it has caused me to rethink what I run now. I am currently running a Pennzoil Synthetic blend in my car. I haven't looked down my nose at other people running conventional oils. I always thought... Hey, if you like it and its what you want to run go for it.

Well now I feel like that it is a very good deal actually given it can be run easily for 5k to 7500 miles and maybe even 10k these days. Has many of you all know that 3k miles back in the day probably made sense. But in these days these very good conventional oils can go quite long in certain motors and running conditions. These factors alone make conventional oils a very reasonable and good option for many people out there. And that's a good thing

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: wemay

In celebrating the benefits of synthetics where they are needed (and there clearly are benefits), many members attempt to knock down the usefulness of conventional oils to the point where if you didn't know better, you'd think that only synthetics are getting all the R&D and improvements and "dino" has been frozen in time since 1975.


Arguments that conventional are great is really a red herring argument. Your engine will survive OK, most of the time, on the cheapest SuperTech at Walmart in the wrong viscosity even. Thats not the point or the goal of discussions of max oil performance.
The real issue is how can we max out performance, in case its needed internally in an engine. Thats why 24 Hour races at LeMans and Nurburgring use synthetics exclusively. Thats why synthetics are the only oils good enough to pass MB229.5 and A40 specs, and even dexos1 requires at least a part synthetic.
So yes, you can save a few pennies using conventional GroupII oil, but its just not that interesting to those of us who are interested in spending just a few dollars more and getting the best we can get.

 

[Skittles]

Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Originally Posted By: wemay

In celebrating the benefits of synthetics where they are needed (and there clearly are benefits), many members attempt to knock down the usefulness of conventional oils to the point where if you didn't know better, you'd think that only synthetics are getting all the R&D and improvements and "dino" has been frozen in time since 1975.


Arguments that conventional are great is really a red herring argument. Your engine will survive OK, most of the time, on the cheapest SuperTech at Walmart in the wrong viscosity even. Thats not the point or the goal of discussions of max oil performance.
The real issue is how can we max out performance, in case its needed internally in an engine. Thats why 24 Hour races at LeMans and Nurburgring use synthetics exclusively. Thats why synthetics are the only oils good enough to pass MB229.5 and A40 specs, and even dexos1 requires at least a part synthetic.
So yes, you can save a few pennies using conventional GroupII oil, but its just not that interesting to those of us who are interested in spending just a few dollars more and getting the best we can get.


LMAO, cause we all drive our cars like the 24 hour lemans. Apples to oranges. Pull your head out.

 

[MolaKule]

FWIW, BobIsTheOilGuy was started during the time when mineral-synthetic Blends (Mineral-PAO) were popular, since Schaeffer Oil was leading the market in Blends at the time.

 

[MolaKule]

FWIW, BobIsTheOilGuy was started during the time when mineral-synthetic Blends (Mineral-PAO) were popular, since Schaeffer Oil was leading the market in Blends at the time.

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: Skittles

LMAO, cause we all drive our cars like the 24 hour lemans. Apples to oranges. Pull your head out.

You're still unable to see the real point of discussing technology in oil. Yes, you can run on SE oil (old stock on Ebay for You! Go get it!) if you'd like. Its just not interesting. And, you're right, cylinder wall temperatures in a Corolla are only 40 degC, so why even bother with any oil that might be better? Its all about max performance. If you want to use the worst oil you can find and then write about it on a forum, yeah, thats fun.

 

[Donald]

I think the decision is becoming less of a decision these days. My Subaru Forester (non turbo) requires 0W20 synthetic. So no decision there.

For us DIY oil changers its not a big deal, less than $10 extra for a 5QT jug at Walymart for synthetic. But at JiffyLube you will be paying significantly more.

 

[wemay]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
FWIW, BobIsTheOilGuy was started during the time when mineral-synthetic Blends (Mineral-PAO) were popular, since Schaeffer Oil was leading the market in Blends at the time.



Refreshing to know Molakule...

 

[ExMachina]

I've never seen Schaeffer's oil in any popular autoparts chain store. They were leading in blends at one point in time? 2002 I guess? Makes me wonder what the first walmart,autozone,napa,checker, etc. synth-blend was? I'd say it was Valvoline Durablend, maybe wrong.

 

[Scum_Frog]

For those still stuck in the 1970's....please it's time to move into the new century. It's not even a discussion of Conventional vs. Synthetic anymore as most oils are nothing like they were 40, 30, 20 or even 10-15 years ago. They are all highly refined and processed with hi-tech add packs. The technology just keep changing and improving. What you think as conventional oil, does not exist today. It really is only a)Good-Con, b) Better-Blend/HM c) Best-Syn and introducing the next level d) Ultimate -Ultra, EP, Etc

Pick whatever your comfortable with and what you can budget for and move on. Some vehicles as stated above are engineered to a certain level of oil thus your choices are more limited.

 

[wemay]

Originally Posted By: ExMachina
I've never seen Schaeffer's oil in any popular autoparts chain store. They were leading in blends at one point in time? 2002 I guess? Makes me wonder what the first walmart,autozone,napa,checker, etc. synth-blend was? I'd say it was Valvoline Durablend, maybe wrong.


...and now even that's hard to find.