Or just go to Walmart and buy Pennzoil Platinum Euro L for under $27.
BMW B58 Engine Oil Recommendation
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new package for the european bmw tpt 5-30 ll04..try this one
Not sure does it have LL04 back.
BMW went away with 0WXX in 2018 in LL01 and LL04. Then I think they updated approvals and allowed again.
Reason I think they updated approvals is that Castrol Edge 0W30 lost LL01, and now it is again LL01 without changing formulation since 2016 I think.
Personally I think LX is fine regardless.
I am not sure is Shell still supplier in Europe. In US they switched to Castrol while keeping Shell in Europe. So, you guys might be getting different oil. I think Shell TPT was rebadged Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 (not sure which Helix exactly is that).
I ran the PP Euro LX 0w30 in my previous as well as my current Mini JCW engines. Did one UOA to make sure the oil was holding up well at 5000 miles...no problem detected in the results...looked great, as expected. Now I have HPL 0w30 Supercar in it as per Dave's recommendation...all 3 of my cars are running HPL oil of one type or another now.
i had a conversation with an expert who said that bmw was in negotiations with another oil blender-producer,but finally aggreed with castrol from january 2024. last time i went to dealership for the injector problem you all know, we had to make an OCI too. so i asked what they were using and they told me its still shell.but thats what is coming from big cans they use.the bottles in the screen were with new package -label at the same time.maybe they just renew the design of the bottle-label and content is still from shell.or maybe it went for api sp and added a new label.anyway this oil has the best reviews from owners.thats only when they buy it from resellers .dealership's costs twice per lt.
having done 3000km with the bmw tpt shell i have no problem.knowing that is from shell,shell makes good oils.
but i do not know about the next years bmw TPT castrol made. i don't use 5-30 castrol anymore. in europe there are plenty of fake oils with catrol label sold.furthermore castrol changes approvals so often that you have to check every 6 months which oil is the right one for your car. mediocre oils except 0-30, not as good as the us one but still good.
i have a lot of good options in 5-30. i think there are only 2 with api SP. i might try one of these,
https://pim.liqui-moly.de/pdf/en_US/liqui/96/P000323 or mobil 1 esp
p.s. is this HPL the new king? there are more and more users talking about it. is it really that good?
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thanks for the info..even i wanted to give it a try ,i cant find any in europe..
It's direct order from Manteno, Illinois, one of the States. I don't know if they ship to Europe, but, I imagine shipping would certainly not be inexpensive!
customs and taxes are expensive..i used to order almost everything from the states and uk ,but now...
there are sites from finland and uk but out of order..the company needs better deals and organise better their European sale department.
there are sites from finland and uk but out of order..the company needs better deals and organise better their European sale department.
HPL oils (Green label) are only for America. So no HPL in EU
Then Mobil 1 Full Synthetic 0w40 is an excellent off-the-shelf oil here. Is that available where you are?
the new one with lower sulphur ,not yet..i am waiting to give it a try. i was recommended not to use the old high sulphur one due to that weird DI engine of my car.
Been a while since I’ve been here. Logged in and saw and thought what a coincidence.
Anyway 2023 BMW 840 with the B58. Did my first oil change today at 5,000 miles
Went with 0w30 BMW oil. It’s LL-01fe and SP. Sticker on the hood says 0w20 but the manual specs 0w20 or 0w30. Then is says don’t use 0w20 in the v8’s. That line gave me pause. I’m sure it probably doesn’t matter. I’ll let you guys know in a couple hundred thousand miles.
Anyway 2023 BMW 840 with the B58. Did my first oil change today at 5,000 miles
Went with 0w30 BMW oil. It’s LL-01fe and SP. Sticker on the hood says 0w20 but the manual specs 0w20 or 0w30. Then is says don’t use 0w20 in the v8’s. That line gave me pause. I’m sure it probably doesn’t matter. I’ll let you guys know in a couple hundred thousand miles.
I would use M1 ESP X3 0W-40 in these engines if you don't care about approvals. It doesn't have LL-04 but I really doubt this oil is deficient in any way since it's Porsche's flagship oil and meets the MB/VW standards.
I'm sure you will be ok with the BMW oil because B58 bearings hold up really well. However, you should not use the LL-01FE oil in B58 TU with OPF IMO. This engine and OPF are designed for mid-SAPS oils. I would use a mid SAPS oil next time or you run the risk of fouling the OPF long-term. This isn't the V8 so you can safely run what your manual specifies, which will be a mid-SAPS oil, not LL-01FE.
I'm sure you will be ok with the BMW oil because B58 bearings hold up really well. However, you should not use the LL-01FE oil in B58 TU with OPF IMO. This engine and OPF are designed for mid-SAPS oils. I would use a mid SAPS oil next time or you run the risk of fouling the OPF long-term. This isn't the V8 so you can safely run what your manual specifies, which will be a mid-SAPS oil, not LL-01FE.
I think Mobil1 0W40 ESP X3 will have LL04 again.
It would be nice. Any particular reason, or just a feeling?
BMW is again approving 0WXX oils for LL01 and LL04. Mobil1 didn’t carry any BMW approval since 2015. New ESP 5W30 is again LL04.
I kind of feel like X3 is a Porsche thing and hasn't been updated / won't be updated to SP anytime soon so it may be a while before it gains LL04. I agree that if it gets updated to SP it will probably appear with LL04.
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