Sure but try to act on the information. You can only buy online or at dealership.
Only if you DIY, and most people don't. If you're just looking for a quart of oil to top off you can buy it anywhere.
Sure but try to act on the information. You can only buy online or at dealership.
Bulk oil?If you get your oil change at BMW dealer, are they going to use bulk oil or bottle oil.
I'll stick w/ the recommended oil for warranty purpose.
Confusing because you think you know better?Welcome to BMW’s confusing oil recommendations.
No, because they have history of doing it.Confusing because you think you know better?
SAPS Level for LL01FE might be middle level, not full, at least BMW oem oil. TBN is only 7.2, does not smell like full-sapsIt is:
LL22FE is low-SAPS oil, and LL-01FE is high-SAPS oil.
Why there is no LL17FE option or LL04? LL17FE is closer HTHS wise, Low-SAPS. This just confirms that using thicker oil is not an issue.
If their intention was oil availability, LL01FE cannot be found anywhere but the dealership or online. LL04, on the other hand, one can get in Wal Mart.
That reads like LL-12FE, not LL01FE.SAPS Level for LL01FE might be middle level, not full, at least BMW oem oil. TBN is only 7.2, does not smell like full-saps
Taken from a bimmer forum - BMW 0W30 LL01FE
That VOA looks like extremely watered down LL01, not sure why and how it can claim LL01FE but the picture of the bottle looks absolutely legit, so now doubt it is the one.That reads like LL-12FE, not LL01FE.
LL01FE allows very high SAPS. Motul had LL01FE at 1.40%.
BMW wants approved oil, not BMW OE oil. Their specification is Full SAPS. What they pack into TPT is their prerogative.
So you can look at a $30 spectrographic analysis and predict the future performance of the oil to the point where you call it “watered down”?That VOA looks like extremely watered down LL01, not sure why and how it can claim LL01FE but the picture of the bottle looks absolutely legit, so now doubt it is the one.
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That VOA looks like BMW LL12FE, just like @edyvw said.That VOA looks like extremely watered down LL01
There were no predictions, the additive pack, flashpoint, TBN look weakSo you can look at a $30 spectrographic analysis and predict the future performance of the oil to the point where you call it “watered down”?
Amazing. I sure can’t do that.
You seem to have a good understanding of this motor oil based on that VOA. What can you tell us about the base oil composition? Do you think it contains Borate Polyols and Polyamines, or Borate Esters? What type of ZDDP is it blended with? What does the Titanium Isopropoxide do?There were no predictions, the additive pack, flashpoint, TBN look weak
Since they moved to Castrol, I don't pay attention that much on their products. They had some really stout stuff when SOPUS was blending their LL01 and LL04.Yes, from all analyses recently this oil looks mid-SAPS. Maybe BMW simply wants to harmonize additive packages between different TPT products.
"seem"... from where did you draw this conclusion? Did you see it in the VOA? Do you still think it is full SAPS?You seem to have a good understanding of this motor oil based on that VOA. What can you tell us about the base oil composition? Do you think it contains Borate Polyols and Polyamines, or Borate Esters? What type of ZDDP is it blended with? What does the Titanium Isopropoxide do?
It’s almost as if BMW historically used to sell more diesels in their primary markets, isn’t it?No, because they have history of doing it.
But, I do give you the benefit of the doubt not knowing the difference between Low-SAPS and High-SAPS.
Except this is a North American (Castrol) blended oil for the NA market only where BMW diesels basically don't exist. LL01 and LL01FE were also never diesel standards. How is it that you are so confidently wrong about nearly everything you post on?It’s almost as if BMW historically used to sell more diesels in their primary markets, isn’t it?
Yes, if your history spans 15 years.It’s almost as if BMW historically used to sell more diesels in their primary markets, isn’t it?
In Europe, BMW has sold more diesel engines than gasoline engines for only 15 years, and I am being generous.Except this is a North American (Castrol) blended oil for the NA market only where BMW diesels basically don't exist. LL01 and LL01FE were also never diesel standards. How is it that you are so confidently wrong about nearly everything you post on?
BMW has always been better at engineering and manufacturing gasoline rather than Diesel engines. Traditionally, Daimler-Benz has been better at Diesel engines. At least, that's my opinion.In Europe, BMW has sold more diesel engines than gasoline engines for only 15 years, and I am being generous.
Please explain what's "obvious"."seem"... from where did you draw this conclusion? Did you see it in the VOA? Do you still think it is full SAPS?
Don't understand people here who see obvious things and still trying to pick up a fight... Just chill dude
See it says 0/30. Engine would be just fine with a 0/40. This BS is there for 1 purpose. CAFELooks like you can use Longlife-12 FE 0W-30 instead. It's got a minimum HTHS of 3.0, vs 2.0 for the 0W-12.
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