And, China is building multiple coal plants every single week in order to have a grid that could support it. It’s hardly a “green” solution, but it certainly does offer near-complete control of all vehicles dependent on the charging system…
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You said it yourself, but keep in mind we're continuously getting more renewables and battery technology is improving. Whether that crossover in tech happens in 5 years, 25 years, or 50 years has yet to be seen. We're definitely on a path to make that happen.
The one that is odd to me is the utter distain for the idea from some people. I know everything is political these days, but it seems at one time more people were of the mindset of seeing where technology goes. Nowadays we're lamenting the death of loved pieces of transportation. The auto buyer has always been slow to accept changes. Heck even I struggle accepting redesigns at times. These days it's something about a V8 no longer being available and that saying "there's no replacement for displacement" really isn't true at all.
The difference between all of your examples and EVs is that nobody FORCED the consumer to buy computers, or internet access, or cell phones. That means they became ubiquitous because people WANTED those items due to their convenience factor.
At nearly every turn, there is a clear INconvenience when expecting the average rural vehicle owner to adopt an EV. Nobody gets rid of a perfectly usable vehicle in order to buy one with significant problems to their routines, along with being, on average, more than 2X expensive.
No one has forced anyone to buy an EV. You definitely aren't being forced to sell your current vehicle. Why does this phrase still persist?
People resist being forced to change. If there are positives (“WIIFM??”) they are more likely. Give them some input into the change process, and most people can’t wait to get on that change wagon.
No one is being forced to do anything. CAFE standards are tightening as they always have and EVs are a way of meeting this requirement while still offering internal combustion powered vehicles.
Those things you have mentioned were the first of their kind: something completely new so how useful they would be to the average person wasn't clear. Vehicles are different. A car is a car, whether powered by liquid fuel or a battery. It is used for the same things: commuting to work, taking the kids to school, going to the store, visiting grandma.
Those arguments are a leaky as 50 year old toilet. Implementing the internet was no big deal once the technology was there to use it, almost every house and apartment had a phone like (remember dial up modems), DSL and fiber was just innovation of existing infrastructure. Once the internet came into play sales of pc's took off because there were some real use for these machines for the average person.
No one needs an EV, NO ONE, at best it is an alternative and for many people a poor one. You cant drive the car up to the 5th floor and plug it in or run a 100ft 240V electrical cord down the front of the house. Apartment dwellers in big cities are very likely to face that very situation, despite what some of these guys from CA say you cannot mandate old building with no underground parking to install charging stations and no one is putting a charger on the street in a parking spot.
You guys need to take the rose colored glasses off and look at the realities, for the majority of people this is not a utopia we live in.
When they have a car priced competitively with a gas car or hybrid, can go 500 miles on a charge minimum in 20 min or less, has a lifetime warranty on the battery and you guarantee my electric rate is under 20c KwH and there are 4 times as many charging stations as gas stations to prevent long waiting lines because of the extended times over filling a gas car then I may well be a customer if I live that long. Otherwise they can shove the EV where the sun doesnt shine sideways.
When I see threads like this it is my cue to start buying RIVN stock lol
maybe but these grids can't sustain the juice they need. I think with any battery, the more you recharge it as well as the faster it gets charged the more wear and tear will happen.
All arbitrarily arrived at, Without real data to back up the hysteria. But I completely support catalytic converters because they make exhaust less noxious.
You mean time to short it?
It's not just about emissions standards. It's to try and use less resources while we continue to add more and more cars to the road. If anything CAFE has little to nothing to do with emissions. All that number means is that they want a single gallon of fuel to go further than it used to.
Except states and countries/blocs are literally banning new ICE vehicles. No, you're not forced to buy an EV (note - even hybrids are coming under the ban rule as not being ZEV), you simply have to deal without owning a car if you don't want an EV. "Oh, oh, but you're still allowed to buy a used ICE vehicle!" In a limited used vehicle market under increasingly-draconian emissions laws limiting where you're even allowed to drive them without legalized government extortion (like in London, and soon enough, more of the UK), for now, sure.
Arguing that no one is forcing EV sales to replace ICE is academically dishonest, at best.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/a45697251/europe-2035-ice-ban-holding/
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/advanced-clean-cars-program/advanced-clean-cars-ii
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/advanced-clean-fleets
https://apnews.com/article/london-c...ives-climate-8d8b97be250d8c18b7a0220f2dd3477b
It's heat more than speed, but speed creates heat and it takes energy to cool it. There are trade offs.
Dunno, electricity is just about everywhere I go.
Sure no one needs an EV, or a Porsche, Bro Dozer, Caddy, MBZ, you name it. Camrys make more sense than BMWs, but aren't half the fun.
I have said a bazillion times, an EV or whatever car depends on your use case. Most people do not drive 500 miles per day. I think the average is under 40 miles per day. Now recent numbers are likely skewed by the pandemic when people weren't driving as much...
I've owned an EV for over 5 years. Ownership is not what I thought; fueling is far more convenient that my gas vehicles. There is nothing like starting every day with a full tank. People charge at Wally World, work and many many shopping centers. Again, I understand I live in a place that is tech heavy; we love this stuff. When I go 90 miles north to our Petaluma house, there is only 1 Supercharger location in the immediate area.
Are EVs for everyone? Of course not. But your post is hardly relative to real world use. I do not know your use case, so I cannot speak to the pros and cons. But I'm pretty sure you haven't lived with an EV for 5 years to learn what ownership is really like.
Paint me surprised....
In other news.. one of my coworkers' friend had to pay $2k to replace Tesla t-stat out of warranty...
In other news.. one of my coworkers' friend had to pay $2k to replace Tesla t-stat out of warranty...
California, need I say more?
We can plead about it all we want on a motor oil forum on the internet, but I can physically choose from either 8 EVs, 5 hybrids, or 35 ICE vehicles at my Ford dealer today. These are projected things that haven't happened. I have a lot more access to ICE than I do any other vehicle. I'm not seeing it.
I live in the US. A law in another country that limits ICE sales sucks, but it does not directly affect me, nor do I have a voice to vote on anything going on there. I can't even vote on the California stuff. I really don't want this thread to bend political too, but there's a reason why we have states rights. You can still be part of the United States and live in a state within that union that has laws that support your beliefs. People leave California for other states for this reason all the time.
That's why I don't lend any credence to these bans. I'm banned from buying directly from an auto manufacturer. I had to go to another state to buy a Tesla and then drive back to Wisconsin to register it, so Wisconsin still got the sales tax on the purchase so that likely will never change. I'm free to move to the state that I had to pick the car up in if I'd like. It honestly makes me less likely to buy a second one new while living here. It was an absolute pain to pick up on Tesla's schedule with my schedule.
Could the Federal government change and ban ICE? Sure, they could. I doubt it though. They won't have to. Eventually there won't be an internal combustion engine that can meet CAFE.
So you need it to be guaranteed 5 times over any product you've had in your life? It was slightly ridiculous but understandable up until unlimited battery warranty and guaranteed power rates. Fine I want an unlimited powertrain warranty, free fuel pumps for life, and a guaranteed $2 a gallon fuel or all you can suck a tail pipe! I'm sorry, but that's what your complaint sounds like.
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JK IMO you live in lala land with rose colored glasses and have no concept of any sort of reality, there is no discussion with you, you only see things one way, your way. JMO
I have a lifetime powertrain warranty. The catch is I have to bring it to Jeep every 5 years for an inspection. So far they haven't had to do any repairs to it in the almost 16 years I have it. They did three inspections now. $2/gallon gas that might be a little tough though.