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PQIA test data...M1 AFE versus Supertech.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/June 2014/exmoM1.htm
http://pqiadata.org/SuperTech_HM_SYN_0W20.html

Claim - Better basestock
M1 AFE Volatility - 10.1%
Supertech Volatility - 10%

M1 AFE VI - 173
Supertech - 172


Claim better TBN
M1 AFE - 8.78
Supertech - 8.37

Claim more additives

Zn/P
M1 AFE - 700/652
Supertech - 852/785

Ca/Mg
M1 AFE - 1080/777 (total 1857)
Supertech - 1336/588 (total 1924)

B/Mo
M1 AFE - 102/85
Supertech - 243/84

Contaminants
M1 AFE - Aluminium above detection limit.
Supertech - all below detection limit.

Dexos 1 Gen 2
- Approved by GM to go the full interval of their oil change indicator
- LSPI pass
M1 AFE - Yes
Supertech - Yes
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
PQIA test data...M1 AFE versus Supertech.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/June 2014/exmoM1.htm
http://pqiadata.org/SuperTech_HM_SYN_0W20.html

Claim - Better basestock
M1 AFE Volatility - 10.1%
Supertech Volatility - 10%

M1 AFE VI - 173
Supertech - 172


Claim better TBN
M1 AFE - 8.78
Supertech - 8.37

Claim more additives

Zn/P
M1 AFE - 700/652
Supertech - 852/785

Ca/Mg
M1 AFE - 1080/777 (total 1857)
Supertech - 1336/588 (total 1924)

B/Mo
M1 AFE - 102/85
Supertech - 243/84

Contaminants
M1 AFE - Aluminium above detection limit.
Supertech - all below detection limit.

Dexos 1 Gen 2
- Approved by GM to go the full interval of their oil change indicator
- LSPI pass
M1 AFE - Yes
Supertech - Yes


Excellent ^^^^ Factual, I love facts! Well said, adds some sanity to this thread. :eek:)
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
PQIA test data...M1 AFE versus Supertech.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/June 2014/exmoM1.htm
http://pqiadata.org/SuperTech_HM_SYN_0W20.html

Claim - Better basestock
M1 AFE Volatility - 10.1%
Supertech Volatility - 10%

M1 AFE VI - 173
Supertech - 172


Claim better TBN
M1 AFE - 8.78
Supertech - 8.37

Claim more additives

Zn/P
M1 AFE - 700/652
Supertech - 852/785

Ca/Mg
M1 AFE - 1080/777 (total 1857)
Supertech - 1336/588 (total 1924)

B/Mo
M1 AFE - 102/85
Supertech - 243/84

Contaminants
M1 AFE - Aluminium above detection limit.
Supertech - all below detection limit.

Dexos 1 Gen 2
- Approved by GM to go the full interval of their oil change indicator
- LSPI pass
M1 AFE - Yes
Supertech - Yes


post regular supertech, not high mileage. And, it's the stuff not listed that counts too.
 
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser

Does not matter who makes walmarts oil, walmart is not getting the latest "mixes" due to R and D

What are the "latest" mixes? How do you think the industry works? A few posts ago you were arguing that Wal Mart probably doesn't do as much oil R&D as xom- you really thought there was an lubricant facility with a Wal Mart logo on it?
The industry doesn't work like that. XOM isn't "R&D"ing the ultimate formulation for M1, either. Not even close, and not for ILSAC M1. The R&D is in economics; how to make the cheapest cost oil that meets the target specifications, and ILSAC M1's are ABSOLUTELY MIDDLING AT BEST. You want hard facts, I believe Shannow has furnished them for your consideration- at least twice in this thread already. Yep, comparing big tough "R&D addled" M1 to the housiest department-store brand we could use as an example, and the M1 looks painfully average!!

To recap: ST Syn even shows significantly more of the good additives with over double the B and the same moly. More Zn and Phos. Practically speaking, and considering testing variations, these oils are evenly matched (DUH bc they're equally qualified) but if you wanna haggle over "pennies a day" and "more additives" the ST actually looks 'more robust' on paper. Cognitive Dissonance? Acceptance is the first step....

Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
I can tell you logically mobil 1 is a better oil than supertech for the price.

While we're indulging in unhinged logical fallacies, ST should be the better oil since a hefty chunk of the banal and pervasive marketing isn't factored into the retail price. Warren/Citgo or Wal Mart don't market their oils at all- no commercials, no sponsorships
 
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
post regular supertech, not high mileage. And, it's the stuff not listed that counts too.


Oh, FFS, why ?

You've had pages and pages of the ability to provide your own supportive data...have at it.

Yes, a lot of that other "stuff" that doesn't show in a UOA counts too...THAT'S WHAT ENABLES THE OILS TO PASS THE TESTS that they pass.

A betting man would say that if the Supertech has more of all the other stuff, it may well have more of the invisible stuff too...paid for by the lack of glossy advertorials.

Would Supertech be a better oil in your eyes if the cost was up 30%, there was a NASCAR painted in their colours, and half page adds in Car and Driver ?

Because facts and data that you've brought to YOUR thread are zero.

(Do you show the adds and receipts to your car to convince it not to wear out ?_
 
Originally Posted By: Olas
Doesn't matter if it's cheap or not, I can get redline cheaper than I can get Shell Helix


Clearly you should use the Helix then...or find a more expensive Redline outlet.
 
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
Originally Posted By: Shannow
PQIA test data...M1 AFE versus Supertech.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/June 2014/exmoM1.htm
http://pqiadata.org/SuperTech_HM_SYN_0W20.html

Claim - Better basestock
M1 AFE Volatility - 10.1%
Supertech Volatility - 10%

M1 AFE VI - 173
Supertech - 172


Claim better TBN
M1 AFE - 8.78
Supertech - 8.37

Claim more additives

Zn/P
M1 AFE - 700/652
Supertech - 852/785

Ca/Mg
M1 AFE - 1080/777 (total 1857)
Supertech - 1336/588 (total 1924)

B/Mo
M1 AFE - 102/85
Supertech - 243/84

Contaminants
M1 AFE - Aluminium above detection limit.
Supertech - all below detection limit.

Dexos 1 Gen 2
- Approved by GM to go the full interval of their oil change indicator
- LSPI pass
M1 AFE - Yes
Supertech - Yes


post regular supertech, not high mileage. And, it's the stuff not listed that counts too.


Facts and not just hyperbole, conjecture or belief.
 
Originally Posted By: wemay
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
Originally Posted By: Shannow
PQIA test data...M1 AFE versus Supertech.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/June 2014/exmoM1.htm
http://pqiadata.org/SuperTech_HM_SYN_0W20.html

Claim - Better basestock
M1 AFE Volatility - 10.1%
Supertech Volatility - 10%

M1 AFE VI - 173
Supertech - 172


Claim better TBN
M1 AFE - 8.78
Supertech - 8.37

Claim more additives

Zn/P
M1 AFE - 700/652
Supertech - 852/785

Ca/Mg
M1 AFE - 1080/777 (total 1857)
Supertech - 1336/588 (total 1924)

B/Mo
M1 AFE - 102/85
Supertech - 243/84

Contaminants
M1 AFE - Aluminium above detection limit.
Supertech - all below detection limit.

Dexos 1 Gen 2
- Approved by GM to go the full interval of their oil change indicator
- LSPI pass
M1 AFE - Yes
Supertech - Yes


post regular supertech, not high mileage. And, it's the stuff not listed that counts too.


Facts and not just hyperbole, conjecture or belief.


LOL but why would you rely on facts when it does support the ops opinion?
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Olas
Doesn't matter if it's cheap or not, I can get redline cheaper than I can get Shell Helix


Clearly you should use the Helix then...or find a more expensive Redline outlet.


Or what you as the consumer perceives as good value … I will walk past M1 AFE since I get better base stock for $1 quart more … M1 EP has 60-70% GIV … if that does not matter, then hope we don’t run anymore threads over “synthetic” …
 
Supertech and/or NAPA oils are what everyone should be using, if you're not keeping your new vehicles a lifetime (1st and last owner). Putting in upper-shelf oil brands - then trading/selling the vehicle prematurely to rusted body or loud, smoky engines of real old age, is a waste of hard-earned money.... like throwing greenback down a sewer.
 
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Supertech and/or NAPA oils are what everyone should be using, if you're not keeping your new vehicles a lifetime (1st and last owner). Putting in upper-shelf oil brands - then trading/selling the vehicle prematurely to rusted body or loud, smoky engines of real old age, is a waste of hard-earned money.... like throwing greenback down a sewer.


Very good point.

Only brand new car I ever bought, my 2003 Nissan Navara, I did the absolute best that I could PM wise to give a jump start to the next owner in 2017, who was buying in a market of averagely maintained vehicles..the average being of course, the average.
 
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Supertech and/or NAPA oils are what everyone should be using, if you're not keeping your new vehicles a lifetime (1st and last owner). Putting in upper-shelf oil brands - then trading/selling the vehicle prematurely to rusted body or loud, smoky engines of real old age, is a waste of hard-earned money.... like throwing greenback down a sewer.


Maybe we should join “ Bob is the Rust Guy “.
 
Originally Posted By: 4WD
So out of these two which one “makes” Super Tech


Depends on the region

It could be made for/bottled for walmart from either WPP, Citgo, or Amalie
 
The Warren Distribution does
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Warren distribution USED TO make the oil for Tractor Supply...

Here is a "Cached page"

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2rFwai4vL14J:www.warrendistribution.com/TSC/faq.htm+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
 
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser

post regular supertech, not high mileage. And, it's the stuff not listed that counts too.

Why adjust the posts now? Firstly, the pool of analyses we have for the oils is limited- you're welcome to do a better job and present contenders of your choosing. Second, is ST Syn HM not a "cheap oil" now? We're talking about two identically qualified Dexos, SN, GF-5. One is cheaper but actually specs 'better' on paper. How does this data fit into your primary argument?? Feel free to elaborate on the "hidden components" too. Tell us all about the organic FMs, solubility improvers and ashless dispersants or whatever...
 
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