Any FRAM users here?

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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
So media that is brittle and configured to allow excessive stress and then tears during use isn't considered "cheap"?

To claim otherwise would seem to be a bit far fetched, wouldn't it?
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Originally Posted By: jhellwig
Hi bigdaddyeasy!


Probably so ...
 
The difference between the FRAM/Cummins issue and the recent Purolator tear issue is that Purolator has not damaged any engines.

FRAM did pay for the repairs to damaged Cummins units because they couldn't refute Cummins teardown and thorough analysis that pointed to the oil filter as the source of the engine problems. FRAM acknowledged the problem with a bunch of legal speak but promptly redesigned the filter used on the Dodge Cummins from a PH3976 to a PH3976A.

So my challenge to you is to bring a verifiable "Purolator damaged my engine" report from the recent tear issue, or for that matter, from the last decade or two to this thread.

I'm hearing crickets right now.......
 
Doesn't matter to most here if a torn Purolator damaged any engines or not. People still don't want to use them for obvious reasons.

You think because there's no evidence that they blew up an engine that people will say "Hey, I'm gonna use Purolators now because even if torn they won't blow-up my engine." I doubt it, except for maybe the true Tearolator fanboys.
 
we used purolaters for as long as i could remember but we won't use them anymore... We now stock most of the common Wix filters. I thought i would never use a fram filter but i tried the new ultra and so far so good. They do seem to be built very well. The ultra is the only filter that fram makes at the moment that i will use.
 
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
we used purolaters for as long as i could remember but we won't use them anymore... We now stock most of the common Wix filters.


Don't blame you for making the switch.

I feel the same way.

Did you see any claims for damages from the use of the Purolators at your shop?
 
Originally Posted By: camarokiller
Im currently running a fram ultra on my 12 valve 5.9 cummins. I feel ive stepped up from the wix XP/napa platinum.


Try a Fleetguard Stratapore next time and you will be using the right filter for your engine.

That's what I use on my 2013 6.7L Cummins RAM.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Doesn't matter to most here if a torn Purolator damaged any engines or not. People still don't want to use them for obvious reasons.

You think because there's no evidence that they blew up an engine that people will say "Hey, I'm gonna use Purolators now because even if torn they won't blow-up my engine." I doubt it, except for maybe the true Tearolator fanboys.


No one wants the worse product on the shelf. If you see a dented can in the store, you take the one next to it. You know strong factual evidence against a brand, you take another brand. Doesn't seem complicated unless the opposing person just likes to argue about things endlessly.
I like Fram more now that I read their response to the Cummins debacle. That's a good company, even though no evidence existed for engine damage, they offered good will solutions and actually made sure the filters contained no neoprene sealer on the base. Purolator does nothing so far, which is amazing since they seemed to be doing very well until the company changed hands.
 
Originally Posted By: goodtimes

I like Fram more now that I read their response to the Cummins debacle. That's a good company, even though no evidence existed for engine damage, they offered good will solutions and actually made sure the filters contained no neoprene sealer on the base. Purolator does nothing so far, which is amazing since they seemed to be doing very well until the company changed hands.


Your biased read is a misrepresentation of the FRAM bulletin and the problem.

Purolator has had no claims of damage, so why spin it otherwise.
 
Originally Posted By: SilverC6

We all know about your relentless crusade against Purolator to increase FRAM Ultra's market share.


LoL ... get a grip on reality. You bash Fram every chance you get, everyone sees that. I mention the Ultra way less than many guys here by far. Purolator basically made its own crusade against themselves.
 
Originally Posted By: camarokiller
Im currently running a fram ultra on my 12 valve 5.9 cummins. I feel ive stepped up from the wix XP/napa platinum.


You have.
 
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
we used purolaters for as long as i could remember but we won't use them anymore... We now stock most of the common Wix filters. I thought i would never use a fram filter but i tried the new ultra and so far so good. They do seem to be built very well. The ultra is the only filter that fram makes at the moment that i will use.
i agree. If I was to use a fram that is the only one I'd consider. So far I have never used a fram that I can remember but that one seems fine.
 
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Originally Posted By: goodtimes

I like Fram more now that I read their response to the Cummins debacle. That's a good company, even though no evidence existed for engine damage, they offered good will solutions and actually made sure the filters contained no neoprene sealer on the base. Purolator does nothing so far, which is amazing since they seemed to be doing very well until the company changed hands.


Your biased read is a misrepresentation of the FRAM bulletin and the problem.

Purolator has had no claims of damage, so why spin it otherwise.


I think your extreme hate for Fram has made you not understand English very well. It says right in the TSB that you posted:

"Throughout our investigation with
Cummins & Daimler Chrysler on various
engine failures, no conclusive evidence
was found to assign cause to filters or
other contamination sources. However,
driven to satisfy our customers, the FRAM
engineering team made modifications to the
design eliminating the neoprene and
expedited development and manufacturing to
release a revised filter model number to
PH3976A."

It says Fram had no solid evidence that the filter was the cause - even with Cummings & Daimler Chryster involved in the investigation. But to make satisfy everyone and make them feel comfortable they resigned their PH3967 filter.
 
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Originally Posted By: goodtimes

I like Fram more now that I read their response to the Cummins debacle. That's a good company, even though no evidence existed for engine damage, they offered good will solutions and actually made sure the filters contained no neoprene sealer on the base. Purolator does nothing so far, which is amazing since they seemed to be doing very well until the company changed hands.


Your biased read is a misrepresentation of the FRAM bulletin and the problem.

Purolator has had no claims of damage, so why spin it otherwise.


My read is not biased, yours is. No evidence means what it says. Purolator has a problem and won't acknowledge it. Fram goes the extra mile in comparison. The only product I like of theirs is the Ultra, and I have a few concerns with it too. I wouldn't use Purolators if free, even though I am finishing my last distance plus right now, the kind the ADBV can be seen through the center tube. Your group is the biased one.
 
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
The only product I like of theirs is the Ultra, and I have a few concerns with it too.


What concerns? I'm curious to hear.
 
^^fram paid for the damages their filters caused while trying to cover from a potential lawsuit gone supernova on them by denying the facts. They obviously did this to pacify cummins in hopes that it would be left alone at that. The old deny but pacify and hope it suffices because they were subject to a massive [censored] kicking if cummins decided to drop the hammer. Lawyers know how to ease into a matter carefully to try and limit consequences yet not leave themselves without a chance to deny guilt if necessary. Otherwise they would have refused to pay a dime.
They fixed a defective product out of necessity and for no other reason by designing a new filter.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
The only product I like of theirs is the Ultra, and I have a few concerns with it too.


What concerns? I'm curious to hear.

I know I know!
 
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