This is follow up UOA from one i posted in another thread a few months ago with The Kia's initial oil fill (Sample #1). The second sample on this report is from a sample submitted from the vehicles 6000 to 12000 km distance interval. Two short oil changes with Amsoil OE 5w-30 were done after Sample #1 and prior to the one sampled here (sample #2). About half of the driving was done on a 3000 km road trip. A magnetic drain plug was installed. Regular Fram CH11934 oil filter installed.
Amsoil OE 5w-30 - 2023 Kia Telluride
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Try upgrading to Amsoil XL or Signature Series next time . Might have even better results
Still breaking in, doing uoa at this time = why?
Given KIA's 6000 km oci requirement, any name brand 5W-30 SL will do. PP, M1, QS, Kirkland, CT, etc.
I might do a Uoa series as I get to the last 25% of engine warranty, if it were my KIA.
In any case, stick to KIA oil change requirements while under warranty, and keep excellent records, receipts, logs and I take photos of the odo, along with pics of the oil and filter going in that day.
Given KIA's 6000 km oci requirement, any name brand 5W-30 SL will do. PP, M1, QS, Kirkland, CT, etc.
I might do a Uoa series as I get to the last 25% of engine warranty, if it were my KIA.
In any case, stick to KIA oil change requirements while under warranty, and keep excellent records, receipts, logs and I take photos of the odo, along with pics of the oil and filter going in that day.
Not sure what Amsoil OE costs these days but it appears there is nothing special about it & an off the shelf oil would work just as well. As the results show metals have settled down nicely in just 12k on your Telluride. Are you going to keep it around 6k intervals? Fuel seems to be ok at 1.2% but not sure how these dilute over the long haul.
You definitely got the break in metals flushed out. 
Looks like KIA is actually using a special break in oil with all that Moly. Not real common anymore but understandable given the engine issues they’ve had the last decade or so but you’ve got a V6 anyway, those have been rock solid.
Looks like KIA is actually using a special break in oil with all that Moly. Not real common anymore but understandable given the engine issues they’ve had the last decade or so but you’ve got a V6 anyway, those have been rock solid.
Oil looks fine. No need for another UOA in the near future.
The only slight concern is the fuel dilution. What is the reputation of this engine?
OEF is not that expensive, people always trying to talk folks out of it or switch oils. Results are great. Switch to XL or SS? Why?
The only slight concern is the fuel dilution. What is the reputation of this engine?
OEF is not that expensive, people always trying to talk folks out of it or switch oils. Results are great. Switch to XL or SS? Why?
I just looked up the pricing as I was curious what OE was going for & "Preferred Pricing" is $7.3475 a quart Plus+ whatever your shipping cost would be. There are similar or even better options at that price point. While that price is not terrible it's not that great either considering we can now buy a 20,000 mile oil for $5.60 a quart or so right off the shelf of WM.
This is a brand new engine . Despite the oil used the results will improve after each oil change unless mechanical issues are present.
Yep, even Blackstone notes that there is no statistically significant difference between the oils they have tested in terms of the UOA results.
Which makes sense since a random spectrographic analysis is nowhere near the tool that's needed to determine comparative oil quality.
Tough love -
Overserviced to no benefit.
Suggest Valvoline Advanced 5W30 and the factory filter.
wait till 30km +before doing another UOA
btw, Your UOA title does not follow protocol, See an instructional post in the thread root.
Thanks.
Overserviced to no benefit.
Suggest Valvoline Advanced 5W30 and the factory filter.
wait till 30km +before doing another UOA
btw, Your UOA title does not follow protocol, See an instructional post in the thread root.
Thanks.
First of all, thanks everyone for your responses; each gives me another view point on my results.
There has been something I've been wanting to say on this board for a while now, regarding some peoples thoughts on the Amsoil brand of oils. A lot of people think that it's OK oil, but just overpriced. As someone looking for good quality oil for my vehicles, I did some research into Amsoil. I began listening to a Florida Amsoil dealer, Dan Watson, who claims to be a certified lubrication specialist and an Amsoil dealer for over 25 years. He has done many videos and radio talk shows explaining the merits of Amsoil products, and genuinely seems to know a lot about the topic of lubrication.
Anyway, one of the big takeaways for me is that Dan has explained that, concerning synthetic engine oils, most brands are "full" synthetic, whereas Amsoil engine oils are "100%" synthetic. The difference being that "full" synthetic oil uses synthetic only for the base oil; the additive carrier oil is likely to not be synthetic for economy sake. Amsoil engine oils are the same type of synthetic for both the base and carrier oils. The term "full synthetic" would obviously lead most people to believe that it means 100% synthetic, but, the terminology is allowed to be used for these "not completely synthetic oils".
Also, when it comes to Group III oils, there can be various levels of Hydrocraking in its production, leading to various levels of the resultant performance of the end product. Amsoil Group III oils (Not Signature Series), are all made using severe hydrocracking, resulting in top performance for the group III category. Other brands may use only hydrotreated (a less processed oil) oils, and even then, only in the base oil - not the additive carrier oil - and can still legally say they are "full synthetic". Guess this may explain why some "full synthetic" oils have such an attractive price.
After learning this and using the product for the past several years, doing some UOA's and even some VOA's, I've come to be satisfied that Amsoil is a consistent good quality product. Sure, I could save a few dollars in the short term on some cheaper brands, but having my engines, that are worth thousands of dollars to replace, properly lubricated is peace of mind to me.
Hope this is helpful to some out there.....thoughts?
There has been something I've been wanting to say on this board for a while now, regarding some peoples thoughts on the Amsoil brand of oils. A lot of people think that it's OK oil, but just overpriced. As someone looking for good quality oil for my vehicles, I did some research into Amsoil. I began listening to a Florida Amsoil dealer, Dan Watson, who claims to be a certified lubrication specialist and an Amsoil dealer for over 25 years. He has done many videos and radio talk shows explaining the merits of Amsoil products, and genuinely seems to know a lot about the topic of lubrication.
Anyway, one of the big takeaways for me is that Dan has explained that, concerning synthetic engine oils, most brands are "full" synthetic, whereas Amsoil engine oils are "100%" synthetic. The difference being that "full" synthetic oil uses synthetic only for the base oil; the additive carrier oil is likely to not be synthetic for economy sake. Amsoil engine oils are the same type of synthetic for both the base and carrier oils. The term "full synthetic" would obviously lead most people to believe that it means 100% synthetic, but, the terminology is allowed to be used for these "not completely synthetic oils".
Also, when it comes to Group III oils, there can be various levels of Hydrocraking in its production, leading to various levels of the resultant performance of the end product. Amsoil Group III oils (Not Signature Series), are all made using severe hydrocracking, resulting in top performance for the group III category. Other brands may use only hydrotreated (a less processed oil) oils, and even then, only in the base oil - not the additive carrier oil - and can still legally say they are "full synthetic". Guess this may explain why some "full synthetic" oils have such an attractive price.
After learning this and using the product for the past several years, doing some UOA's and even some VOA's, I've come to be satisfied that Amsoil is a consistent good quality product. Sure, I could save a few dollars in the short term on some cheaper brands, but having my engines, that are worth thousands of dollars to replace, properly lubricated is peace of mind to me.
Hope this is helpful to some out there.....thoughts?
Yes, I plan on sticking withe the 6000 km oil change interval, as that is what KIA says to do for the Canadian severe service. That is also why I'm using OE and not Sig Series. I was glad to see that the OE oil held up well for this interval. The oil actually was still fairly clean when drained, and was still at the full level on the dip stick. I'm trying to keep the oil pollution level low so that, over time, the rings stay free of sludge and varnish, which would cause sticking and cylinder wear, and so on.
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candoo1, don't put too much stock in Dan Watson's explanation about 100% versus Full Synthetic. These monikers are known as synonyms. They are different ways of stating the same thing.
Here is a screen shot that I took directly from Amsoil's own article addressing this precise topic. You can see that even they tell you that 100% and Full Synthetic have the same meaning. It's unfortunate that some people are so desperate that they have to grasp at anything and everything to try and make a sale. I've heard Amsoil salesmen say that the Mobil-1 sold at WalMart isn't the same as the oil sold at the auto parts stores. It becomes absurd and foolish. Here's the screen shot directly from Amsoil on their own web page that any person can read:
Here is a screen shot that I took directly from Amsoil's own article addressing this precise topic. You can see that even they tell you that 100% and Full Synthetic have the same meaning. It's unfortunate that some people are so desperate that they have to grasp at anything and everything to try and make a sale. I've heard Amsoil salesmen say that the Mobil-1 sold at WalMart isn't the same as the oil sold at the auto parts stores. It becomes absurd and foolish. Here's the screen shot directly from Amsoil on their own web page that any person can read:
Amsoil is fooling you into thinking they are offering more of something the others are not. There is no regulation on the terms "Synthetic" or "100% Synthetic" & Amsoil takes advantage of that fact. You've been duped & so has your sales rep...
Amsoil isn't. Dan Watson is. He's a showman.
Amsoil says the words are blurry and equivalent. They say the formulation is more important than the terms.
And it’s just more misunderstanding about how the Group designations are defined and what they are intended to be used for.
A lot of oil companies take advantage of unknown/unregulated terms to describe their oil to which there is little consistency. Amsoil is not even describing what it means. What does 100% synthetic mean between their product offerings? They just simply say "100% Full Synthetic" means the same as "Full Synthetic" but they are both marketing terms that mean squat as you well know. Amsoil is not unique in that category they are just marketing it a bit differently.
OP is getting their info from the salesmen so I suppose they are just restating what they're hearing. But Amsoil is not clearly describing what it means either. What does Amsoil do to resellers that are claiming what the OP is stating?
If all the oil companies were more transparent they'd just put on their bottles 50% Group III / 50% Group II etc. (as an example) or have it regulated to have some meaning behind these wild claims. 100% synthetic again doesn't mean much & Amsoil says basically the same thing in their explanation to sell to the masses.
For the record I believe Amsoil to be great oil it is just too darn expensive for my wallet. And when comparing Amsoil OE oil that is priced higher than 20,000 mile oil at WM it needs to be mentioned they can get better oil for less money.
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