So why did you buy the horrible Range Rover? Bragging rights? Statement purchase? Out do neighbors?
Because I wanted one.
So why did you buy the horrible Range Rover? Bragging rights? Statement purchase? Out do neighbors?
The crank window thing might also have to do with cheaper easily removeable doors.
That's a good enough reason to buy anything, though I do still think Jeep is unnecessarily depriving people of power windows.Because I wanted one.
I mean, we could ask the same question for anything larger than a go-kart?Because I wanted one.
Even the Cherokee’s are getting outrageous! I’ve seen a lot of used TJ’s and JK’s in the same price range as an 80 series Land Cruiser. Granted the mileage was considerably lower on the Jeep, but for the same money, I would still buy the Land Cruiser. I love Jeeps, but for the same money, LC all day long.I've been on the hunt for a clean Jeep TJ and even those prices are way up. I'm in no hurry and will wait it out.
I don't even want a new one at all. It would kill me to pay $40k for something to take out and pinstripe day
one in the local hills.
My stock 02 has seen more trails and off road than 90% of the lifted ones you see around town.So if you don't have body damage and break stuff you're not into your Jeep? Gotta disagree. Yes, pretenders buy a Jeep for a while and don't like it for it's Jeepness and sell it. Jeep people like their Jeep for what it is and use it how they want. I know both kinds. So what? Look at it this way, someday the people who don't beat on their $50k Rubicons will trade or sell them and "real" Jeep guys can buy them and beat them up having their own fun. All good.
My stock 02 has seen more trails and off road than 90% of the lifted ones you see around town.
LR build quality, fit and finish is better and that’s all that matters under warranty. people who can afford them know they drive better than the competition.Land Rover is essentially a Jeep with British 'quality', a truly scary concept!
I've looked at both over the years. LR is overpriced (to me) for what you get. I am not interested in impressing anyone and I don't care about color either. LR just wasn't impressive at all for the extra money.LR build quality, fit and finish is better and that’s all that matters under warranty. people who can afford them know they drive better than the competition.
I have a 1998 TJ Wrangler. Once summer hits the doors/roof stay in the garage until fall. I've owned some kind of Jeep since I was 16. I like that they are DIY friendly, you can modify just about anything on them, and the open air experience. The most mine has seen as far as wheeling has been dirt roads, but then again there is no legal offroading unless you go several states away. I would like to take it to Moab though.So if you don't have body damage and break stuff you're not into your Jeep? Gotta disagree. Yes, pretenders buy a Jeep for a while and don't like it for it's Jeepness and sell it. Jeep people like their Jeep for what it is and use it how they want. I know both kinds. So what? Look at it this way, someday the people who don't beat on their $50k Rubicons will trade or sell them and "real" Jeep guys can buy them and beat them up having their own fun. All good.
Funny, my last two Grand Cherokee's (and a Trailblazer in between) are what finally sold me on Rovers. I figured if I was going to deal w/ reliability issues, I'd get what I really wanted and have a much better interior. Your higher trim levels, on the Jeeps, should not have had cracking vinyl on the 'leather faced' seats and dash nor the myriad electrical and transmission issues they had. Modern Jeep products are much, much better.LR build quality, fit and finish is better and that’s all that matters under warranty. people who can afford them know they drive better than the competition.
you are however selling the ford era short, the Discovery 3, early RR Sport and LR2 were certainly much better to own long term than anything in their current lineup.Funny, my last two Grand Cherokee's (and a Trailblazer in between) are what finally sold me on Rovers. I figured if I was going to deal w/ reliability issues, I'd get what I really wanted and have a much better interior. Your higher trim levels, on the Jeeps, should not have had cracking vinyl on the 'leather faced' seats and dash nor the myriad electrical and transmission issues they had. Modern Jeep products are much, much better.
Ironically, our Rovers have been very good reliability wise. I would not, and didn't, touch any Rover (besides the classic toys) until 2012 or so....
Probably over the long term being somewhat simpler and with more common components, but I knew enough folks who had them at the time and had problems with them, that I would not touch a LR as a daily until a while later. My first was a '12. They were certainly better than anything since the early 70's. The modern ones are fine and our four (since '12) have been relatively painless and better than our friends' Ford era ones. Are they Toyota/Honda?? No, never expected them to be, but I'd compare them to most current European makes. That said, I don't keep mine past 90k or so and can't really speak to the current series long term prospects. I can guess though, hence why we don't own them too longyou are however selling the ford era short, the Discovery 3, early RR Sport and LR2 were certainly much better to own long term than anything in their current lineup.
Jeep has of course undergone a miraculous transformation into a premium upmarket brand mostly thanks to Dr.Fiat
Is that the successor to "Dr. Z" from the Daimler-Chrysler era?Jeep has of course undergone a miraculous transformation into a premium upmarket brand mostly thanks to Dr.Fiat