Goes to show people that the engineers designing the cars and recommending the drain intervals aren't nuts after all! I could probably run a good dino out to 10k miles in my Accord, which is what the manual suggests, but I'm not that ballsy.
13,000 miles on cheap dino !!!
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Hey I helped a buddy with more than double that miles and he almost never changed the oil, only added to it for all the leaks in his Sentra.quote:
Originally posted by CastroPenzoHavoMobil1:
What's your horror story?
Today, I changed the oil in a friends car. The car (98 Ford Escort ZX2 w/83K miles) was driven 13,000 miles since it's last oil change!While not sure, I think the oil might have been Citgo 10W-30 dino. (The oil change reminder sticker had a phone number on it, I called out of curiosity and they said thier bulk oil was Citgo 10W-30)
It was BAD!!! Once I popped the drain plug it looked like black paint oozing from the oil pan. It was all frothy and nasty. The dipstick had sludge on it. As I looked into the valve cover, it reminded me of the dark, sludgy crude you get when something greasy gets left on the stove burner for about 6 hours too long.
To make matters worse, there was only three quarts of oil in the crankcase when I drained it. Capacity is 4.5 quarts.
This is the worst first hand motor abuse I've seen! Remind me never to buy any used cars from this particular friend.
I poped the hood and looked inside and it looked like icing from a cake and petroleum jelly,coated a solid black substance wich was gritty and thicker than axle-grease. His engine had a brownish nasty black with a foul smell and you could not see anything WET under the VC.
I plumped in several OCIS worth of free oil for him and before 10K were up it was sparkly clean.
Engine ran better and he no longer wanted to get rid of the car.
You never know.
Just try to get him to slowly clean that stuff out of there, and you may save the engine.
That called for a picture, man, come on, I know you must have thought about it, right....
when I was 16, i had saved up enough cash to get a car. One thing though was my parents had to pick it. So they got me a 95 Thunderbird with the 4.6 V8. My dad told me I had to take full responsibility for that vehicle if I wanted to keep it, which included maintenance. It had 63K miles and I drove it up to about 85K miles when the headgasket blew and I sold it for 1/5 of the price I bought it at. During those 20 or so thousand miles, I never changed the oil or filter, just topped it off when the reading on the dipstick was low.
A long time ago, I took the valve cover off a small block Chevy and put it on the work bench. When I turned back to the engine the valve cover was still there. What happened was the valve cover had filled up with an oil film than had taken on the shape of the stamped steel valve cover and varnished over to a very slick looking finish that looked just like the valve cover. The 'Chevrolet' name could be seen just like the valve cover. I poked it with a screw driver and it cracked like glass. The whole area on top of the head was filled with sludge, except the area cleared by the rocker arms and pushrods.
In shop class in high school we pulled apart some small block Chevies where the V underneath the intake manifold was completely filled with sludge.
It's really too bad we can't see a UOA from some of these engines after these super long intervals. A plea to anyone who finds another one - Get a sample of the oil and have an analysis done!
Many years ago I spoke with a guy who drove a Dodge Diplomat / Chrysler Fifth Avenue - can't remember - anyway when I asked him how often he changed his oil his response was "I never bother to change it, I just top it up when it it get's a bit low." I guess this is not as bad as just never changing it and never bothering to check the level period! Some people know better but just don't give a S&%t... and some people just don't have a clue!
You're all fishermen, right?
In my shop class in high school, EVERY engine that was being rebuilt had to have the sludge scraped out with a putty knife from the, block vee, from the heads, from the oil pan. Back then, I thought that was normal.
Oh, yeah. I got ya beat. When I used to work as an inspection mechanic I saved this filter off of a 99 Dodge 2500 van. It had a 360 in it. The oil change sticker shows this oil to be about 2 years old and close to 37k miles on this run.
THE OIL WOULD NOT DRAIN COLD!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had to use parts washer solvent to get the oil dilluted enough to drain. I have no idea how the engine even ran, and it ran well. After the oil change the brand new bulk mobil 5w-30 looked like diesel oil. I changed it a second time and then it looked like a dirty 3k oil interval needing changed.
The engine was very quiet and ran very well, even after the oil change it did not knock or smoke. A testement to how well the old dodge engines were.
THE OIL WOULD NOT DRAIN COLD!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had to use parts washer solvent to get the oil dilluted enough to drain. I have no idea how the engine even ran, and it ran well. After the oil change the brand new bulk mobil 5w-30 looked like diesel oil. I changed it a second time and then it looked like a dirty 3k oil interval needing changed.
The engine was very quiet and ran very well, even after the oil change it did not knock or smoke. A testement to how well the old dodge engines were.
Here's one about Dodge... My dad had an old Dodge Duster that he used to loan out as a service car while repairing customers cars that were in for major repairs. When he sold his station the duster had 200,000KM on it and was rusting pretty bad. He drained the oil from it and drove it like that for almost 2 weeks here/there to pick up parts etc. And it kept running. It finally seized at about 300KM in. Pretty crazy eh?
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I've got a similar one.
A guy I know who worked at a truck stop had a late 80's F-150 with a 302. He "changed the oil religiously" and very early in it's life, it spun a rod bearing.
So, he bought a 92. He NEVER changed the oil. Only topped it up. Truck had at least 100,000km on it. I just stood there jaw agape when he's telling me that this was the REASON it had lasted so long thus far.....
A guy I know who worked at a truck stop had a late 80's F-150 with a 302. He "changed the oil religiously" and very early in it's life, it spun a rod bearing.
So, he bought a 92. He NEVER changed the oil. Only topped it up. Truck had at least 100,000km on it. I just stood there jaw agape when he's telling me that this was the REASON it had lasted so long thus far.....
One to add... Is I have an Austin Mini (60's Style), and it's only got 10,000 original KM's on it. It's a little gem. (Pictures in another thread by me).
Anyways... I was on a Mini-Club forum and was talking about oil changes and found out most people in Britian that are from the good old days, never change their oil...
Just the filters, and top-up. They have driven their cars hundreds of thousand of KM's.
I was shocked... Thats when I new that I could probablly go longer without destroying me engine, and then I found BITOG!
So far I have only ventured out to 10,000KM per synthetic oil change, but I'm gonna go longer once I see my latest UOA.
Anyways... I was on a Mini-Club forum and was talking about oil changes and found out most people in Britian that are from the good old days, never change their oil...
Just the filters, and top-up. They have driven their cars hundreds of thousand of KM's.
I was shocked... Thats when I new that I could probablly go longer without destroying me engine, and then I found BITOG!
So far I have only ventured out to 10,000KM per synthetic oil change, but I'm gonna go longer once I see my latest UOA.
I truely believe some cars require reugular maintence (Ford and Holden) and certain engines dont (Toyota). Few months ago serviced my old mans Toyota Hilux 94 first time in 6 years. Yes it was black like tar (crusty stuff, i am too scared to Auto-RX it), but still goes well, in that time it would have towed a full trailer, sand cement mixer etc, peak hour traffic, short trips long trips etc. Now it idles a litle better. Same time my father cuple years got rid of his 1978 Toyota Ute, only 1 oil change since he had it from 1982 till end of 2006. In that time i dont know when the change was made. When he drove in into the wrecker people wondered why he got rid ot it. My Holden wiht its Ecotec 3.8litre V6 would die if i didnt do it for a year, it would probably let me know.
Originally Posted By: webfors
good read!! Now I know why OLMs were invented... for those who are intellectually challenged
Those olm's are [censored]...my neigbhor has had his on for the last month or so, thank god last oil change i put in Maxlife.
good read!! Now I know why OLMs were invented... for those who are intellectually challenged
Those olm's are [censored]...my neigbhor has had his on for the last month or so, thank god last oil change i put in Maxlife.
My brother had a 1993 Saturn SL2 that burned tons of oil....about a quart every 300 miles.
He started putting 10w40 Pennzoil in it and just topped it off for ~25,000 miles before he junked it for not passing inspection. We did horrible things to that car when he decided he was getting rid of it....clutch drops....shopping cart collisions, fishtailing on ice.
Good times.
Now he drives a 2008 Honda Accord 5spd. He changed the factory fill at 4,000 miles. Now has 10,000 miles on it so the oil has been in service for 6,000 miles. He plans on following the OLM on the dealer bulk oil.
He started putting 10w40 Pennzoil in it and just topped it off for ~25,000 miles before he junked it for not passing inspection. We did horrible things to that car when he decided he was getting rid of it....clutch drops....shopping cart collisions, fishtailing on ice.
Good times.
Now he drives a 2008 Honda Accord 5spd. He changed the factory fill at 4,000 miles. Now has 10,000 miles on it so the oil has been in service for 6,000 miles. He plans on following the OLM on the dealer bulk oil.
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