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#1885333 - 05/09/10 01:16 PM List of cardboard construction oil filters?
QuOk Offline


Registered: 12/21/06
Posts: 266
Loc: NJ
A cousin of mine had a problem recently with a no-name chinese? filter that clogged his oil system.Trashed the motor.
It was a junker anyhow so he didn't lose much.

Is there a list anywhere of cardboard construction filters?
I change myself and at the moment using Mobil 1 filters.
M-103 fits all three of my cars.I like to use premium filters of purolator and bosch.
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#1885432 - 05/09/10 03:53 PM Re: List of cardboard construction oil filters? [Re: QuOk]
ARCOgraphite Offline


Registered: 05/17/09
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Loc: N.H, U.S.A.
How long was the filter on the engine miles and time? Why would "cardboard" be an issue? The Filter is "paper". Some designs dont use Any endcaps (Thailand-sourced Denso Toyota OEM comes to mind, IIRC). The BIGGEST problems I've personally experienced ( on sub 5K oci) are overly restrictive (high efficiency) elements in small form factors on the newer toyota and suzuki engines - even suzuki OEM filters had problems - though I recall the Austrian made units were OK. There is a Suzuki TSB out there somewhere ... BTW, I owned an Aerio SX with the 2.3L DOHC motor - fun car.


Edited by ARCOgraphite (05/09/10 03:56 PM)
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#1885442 - 05/09/10 04:15 PM Re: List of cardboard construction oil filters? [Re: ARCOgraphite]
daman Offline


Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 10439
Loc: Bad Axe, MI
If your worried(and i don't blame you good for you thumbsup )just stay away from FRAM and Ecores.

stick with WIX,NAPA Gold,CQ RED,P1 and you'll be fine.
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#1885450 - 05/09/10 04:32 PM Re: List of cardboard construction oil filters? [Re: daman]
IntegraVT Offline


Registered: 09/03/07
Posts: 320
Loc: Northern NJ
Add Honeywell Defense as well as the Honeywell made Honda and Subaru OEM filters to the list.

...but some Frams have metal endcaps; the [E]XtendedGuard line is as solidly built as they come.

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#1885453 - 05/09/10 04:39 PM Re: List of cardboard construction oil filters? [Re: ARCOgraphite]
QuOk Offline


Registered: 12/21/06
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Loc: NJ
Arco i have the factory Suzuki oil filter with 2k miles on it waiting to be cut open.I'll paste pics soon.I have a few japanese toyota oems to use too.

Knowing my cousin it probably had at least 10k on it with the cheapest oil.He took off the oil pan and found cardboard debris clogging the oil pickup and oil galleries.Starved for oil and took out the bearings.

Just looking to prevent any possible problems since 2 of my cars are out of warranty.
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#1885744 - 05/09/10 10:09 PM Re: List of cardboard construction oil filters? [Re: QuOk]
QuOk Offline


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Posted the Suzuki filter opened up in another post in oil filters.
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#1885813 - 05/09/10 11:49 PM Re: List of cardboard construction oil filters? [Re: QuOk]
ahoier Offline


Registered: 02/03/10
Posts: 1720
Loc: Cocoa, FL
Yea, the Xtended Guard and some of those FRAM ToughGuard filters look real secure. But yea, the cheap "ExtraGuard" just seem too flimsy...

I'm sure if you e-mailed the various manufacturers a part # or model # they would be able to tell you if the product is constructed with cardboard end-caps.....

Even the TG filters have 26g capacity, 97% dirt trapping efficiency, Silicone ADBV, and supposidely made for 10k mile intervals.

Something I'm curious about, their specs page says the TG filters are "compatible" with synthetic and synthetic blend only....does that mean those filters wouldn't work with "conventional" oil? If so, why not?


BTW, what's an "e-core"? Heard the term posted a lot here, but no definition :)


Edited by ahoier (05/09/10 11:49 PM)

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#1885952 - 05/10/10 06:58 AM Re: List of cardboard construction oil filters? [Re: ahoier]
daman Offline


Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 10439
Loc: Bad Axe, MI
Originally Posted By: ahoier

BTW, what's an "e-core"?

Something you want to stay clear from!

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1806202
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#1886075 - 05/10/10 09:36 AM Re: List of cardboard construction oil filters? [Re: daman]
Bill in Utah Offline



Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 12781
Loc: UT
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: ahoier

BTW, what's an "e-core"?

Something you want to stay clear from!

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1806202


Since we are OFF TOPIC but have to get biased info rebutted.... frown

Make sure when you read the complete thread that is quoted. Those filters were not just off a vehicle. They sat in water for months... smirk

Don't just look at the photos like others...

Interesting that we don't show the ecore filters that are fine (most of them)

One example

A few photos of another thread;





Another thread

Another one

I'd use one with no worries. (and do)

More people use Fram filters than any other brand. MANY members here have gone hundreds of thousands of miles using them with no problems. IF Frams were as bad as some members here have you believe then we would see all the dead motors.

Your "cousin" (its always 3rd party) story should be investigated fully. I'd love to hear the COMPLETE story. 10k OCI and ???

Even more important is the subject is CARDBOARD filters, Ecores use a fiber end cap. duh

Bill

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#1886156 - 05/10/10 10:46 AM Re: List of cardboard construction oil filters? [Re: Bill in Utah]
QuOk Offline


Registered: 12/21/06
Posts: 266
Loc: NJ
As far as my cousin's story:
1980's chevy pickup,5.7L.
rusted to [censored],especially the cab.
Just south of 200k miles on original motor/auto trans.
He bought it a few years ago with over 100k miles.
Maintenance isn't done unless something breaks or he remembers finally.Oil was whatever was on sale at the local
parts store usually 10w30.Filter was white and only marked with chinese lettering,no numbers to be seen.
Oil was black as night but not really sludgy.

He always buys vehicles with high miles and usually gets over 200k miles even with his [censored] maintenance.Lives in upstate NY so the salt usually kills it before the lack of maintenance does.

He doesn't have any OCI it's just whenever he gets to it.
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#1886264 - 05/10/10 12:49 PM Re: List of cardboard construction oil filters? [Re: QuOk]
Bottom_Feeder Offline


Registered: 12/07/08
Posts: 1401
Loc: Occupied Virginia
So with everything you posted above, why are you assuming that a cheapo Chinese made filter is what sent it over the edge? Unless you 1) take the filter apart and find some of the cardboard guts missing, and 2) tear down the engine and find said missing cardboard guts in the oil passages, you can't blame the filter.

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#1886347 - 05/10/10 02:03 PM Re: List of cardboard construction oil filters? [Re: Bottom_Feeder]
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Loc: Hillsboro, OR
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#1886367 - 05/10/10 02:28 PM Re: List of cardboard construction oil filters? [Re: Bottom_Feeder]
QuOk Offline


Registered: 12/21/06
Posts: 266
Loc: NJ
Bottom_Feeder:"Knowing my cousin it probably had at least 10k on it with the cheapest oil.He took off the oil pan and found cardboard debris clogging the oil pickup and oil galleries.Starved for oil and took out the bearings."

You know of any other way cardboard could get into a motor?
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#1886374 - 05/10/10 02:40 PM Re: List of cardboard construction oil filters? [Re: QuOk]
Bottom_Feeder Offline


Registered: 12/07/08
Posts: 1401
Loc: Occupied Virginia
Ah, sorry. Don't know how I missed that.

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#1886379 - 05/10/10 02:46 PM Re: List of cardboard construction oil filters? [Re: Bottom_Feeder]
Hitzy Offline


Registered: 05/08/09
Posts: 328
Loc: Ottawa, Canada
I haven't see any really badly constructed chinese filters. They look alot like a non-ecore champ & purolator had a baby. No cardboard endcaps on these things. You would need to cut open the filter and determin if something failed in it before blaming it.
Here is a chinese filter cut open.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1883237&page=1
And another one:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1721689&page=1
And another one:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1491445&page=1

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