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#3399015 - 06/16/14 02:36 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
larryinnewyork Offline


Registered: 02/10/12
Posts: 202
Loc: N.Y.
When I replaced the Wrangler tires for the first time, I assumed the tires were dried out and hardened (10 years old).
They had some dry rot (Threads and Side Wall).
I had 105,000 miles on them.
Would not have made it thru another Winter.
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#3399022 - 06/16/14 02:45 PM Re: Age [Re: SteveSRT8]
Jarlaxle Offline


Registered: 02/02/12
Posts: 3802
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
This story is real.

I have a lot full of trucks. Last year I found two perfect never used spare tires and decided to use them. Never thought twice about it.

Put one on a van, Bridgestone load range E tire 10 ply rated. It lasted two weeks and blew out badly damaging the entire wheel well and quarter panel.

Cost of repairs was over 300 bucks, AND I had to buy a new tire!

IMO old tires are suitable as a spare only...


Maybe in the blazing sun of sweltering FLORIDA, on vans that I would bet run the rear axles at 100% capacity every mile! How often do your drivers check pressure? Be honest, now!

I have 12+ year old Eagle GTs on my Caddy...they're fine. Honestly...if I didn't know they'd been dropped, I would never even think they were that old!
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#3399035 - 06/16/14 03:02 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
Hokiefyd Offline


Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 10780
Loc: North Carolina
Tires are fine. Until they're not. They're full of air until they blow out.

OP, don't take the chance with your life, or someone else's on the road.
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#3399051 - 06/16/14 03:24 PM Re: Age [Re: SteveSRT8]
IndyIan Offline


Registered: 09/23/08
Posts: 5374
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
This story is real.

I have a lot full of trucks. Last year I found two perfect never used spare tires and decided to use them. Never thought twice about it.

Put one on a van, Bridgestone load range E tire 10 ply rated. It lasted two weeks and blew out badly damaging the entire wheel well and quarter panel.

Cost of repairs was over 300 bucks, AND I had to buy a new tire!

IMO old tires are suitable as a spare only...


Yeah, tires that are loaded near their capacity at high speeds isn't a spot to run questionable tires. Small trailer tires in my case.
Most cars/fwd SUV's have 2-3 times extra tire load capacity than they can carry going up to their GVWR, so blowouts due to age are much less common on those vehicles IME.
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#3399053 - 06/16/14 03:26 PM Re: Age [Re: Jarlaxle]
SteveSRT8 Offline


Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 14280
Loc: Sunny Florida
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
This story is real.

I have a lot full of trucks. Last year I found two perfect never used spare tires and decided to use them. Never thought twice about it.

Put one on a van, Bridgestone load range E tire 10 ply rated. It lasted two weeks and blew out badly damaging the entire wheel well and quarter panel.

Cost of repairs was over 300 bucks, AND I had to buy a new tire!

IMO old tires are suitable as a spare only...


Maybe in the blazing sun of sweltering FLORIDA, on vans that I would bet run the rear axles at 100% capacity every mile! How often do your drivers check pressure? Be honest, now!

I have 12+ year old Eagle GTs on my Caddy...they're fine. Honestly...if I didn't know they'd been dropped, I would never even think they were that old!


Note that NO ONE messes with my trucks but me! That's my job here.

This tire was on the Front, spec is 65 pounds. Rears run the full 80 psi max cold inflation pressure.

Tires are checked daily at first and then weekly to establish their patterns, but most of our newer vans have TPMS so I'm not needed any more....
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#3399054 - 06/16/14 03:28 PM Re: Age [Re: IndyIan]
SteveSRT8 Offline


Registered: 10/10/08
Posts: 14280
Loc: Sunny Florida
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
This story is real.

I have a lot full of trucks. Last year I found two perfect never used spare tires and decided to use them. Never thought twice about it.

Put one on a van, Bridgestone load range E tire 10 ply rated. It lasted two weeks and blew out badly damaging the entire wheel well and quarter panel.

Cost of repairs was over 300 bucks, AND I had to buy a new tire!

IMO old tires are suitable as a spare only...


Yeah, tires that are loaded near their capacity at high speeds isn't a spot to run questionable tires. Small trailer tires in my case.
Most cars/fwd SUV's have 2-3 times extra tire load capacity than they can carry going up to their GVWR, so blowouts due to age are much less common on those vehicles IME.


Exactly. But no high speeds, just going 45 mph on a smooth road. Just not EVER worth it to us to risk this, I will never be caught dead using outdated tires.

If this had happened at an interstate exit ramp at a high speed it could have been very interesting...
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#3399186 - 06/16/14 06:16 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
Jarlaxle Offline


Registered: 02/02/12
Posts: 3802
Loc: New England
Anyone throwing away tires because they have passed some arbitrary age, send them here! I'll take...

245/60R15
255/60R15
235/70R15 (H or V-rated preferred)
11R22.5G
35x12.50R15
275/40R17
315/35R17
295/75R22.5
275/80R22.5
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#3399208 - 06/16/14 06:46 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
Pop_Rivit Offline


Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 3413
Loc: Midwest
The Michelin Harmony tires on our 2006 Subaru have somewhere around 90,000 miles on them and have been on 6 years this summer. They still have about 50% tread left and have usually been garaged, but they will get replaced around the end of this summer. The car normally sees straight line highway commutes with little to no city use, hence the high mileage/low treadwear.

In my opinion it's simply not worth the risk of damage or injury to ride around on old tires. I have a responsibility to keep my vehicles safe, not only for me, my wife and any passengers we may have, but for the other motorists with whom we share the road. Since our vehicles all see mostly highway driving a blowout could very well be life-threatening.

The possibility of having an accident and causing an injury just because I tried to eek a little more mileage out of a set of tires that are at their end of life simply isn't worth the risk.

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#3399217 - 06/16/14 07:32 PM Re: Age [Re: Pop_Rivit]
HTSS_TR Offline


Registered: 04/17/06
Posts: 12900
Loc: Irvine, CA
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
The Michelin Harmony tires on our 2006 Subaru have somewhere around 90,000 miles on them and have been on 6 years this summer. They still have about 50% tread left and have usually been garaged, but they will get replaced around the end of this summer. The car normally sees straight line highway commutes with little to no city use, hence the high mileage/low treadwear.

Extrapolate these numbers will end with 150-160k miles for the Harmony ? That is long lasting tire.
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#3399225 - 06/16/14 07:43 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
OneEyeJack Offline


Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 847
Loc: California
The car is mostly driven at night. The tires look brand new. It's a 84 Honda Civic with 75 horsepower and is never driven hard or abused in anyway. Before this set of tires the car was driven a lot. It now has 420K miles on it. I got about 200K miles out of the last clutch, that's how carefully the car is driven and it's S. Cal so weather is never a problem. I don't know that it's ever seen freezing weather and never any snow and not much rain.

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#3399294 - 06/16/14 08:52 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
hattaresguy Offline


Registered: 06/01/11
Posts: 4876
Loc: CT
I won't run on old tires, just not worth it.

I have two things I'll never save money on, tires and brakes. The rest of the vehicle, meh pinch pennies.


Edited by hattaresguy (06/16/14 08:52 PM)

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#3399344 - 06/16/14 09:46 PM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
OneEyeJack Offline


Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 847
Loc: California
I talked to a Michelin rep at the test track where I used to work. He looked at the tires and the dates and said that right now I had a year left but that the tires were fine. He and I both agree that at the end of that time I'm going to get new tires. I really wanted to make sure that running beyond 6 years with tires in pristine condition would be safe. I am going to drill the side walls to make sure that no one else uses then thinking they are almost new.

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#3399456 - 06/17/14 01:09 AM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
KitaCam Offline


Registered: 11/16/12
Posts: 1475
Loc: SunnySouthFlorida
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
I talked to a Michelin rep at the test track where I used to work. He looked at the tires and the dates and said that right now I had a year left but that the tires were fine. He and I both agree that at the end of that time I'm going to get new tires. I really wanted to make sure that running beyond 6 years with tires in pristine condition would be safe. I am going to drill the side walls to make sure that no one else uses then thinking they are almost new.


Nice...very thoughtful of you, really...
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#3399546 - 06/17/14 07:16 AM Re: Age [Re: OneEyeJack]
CapriRacer Offline


Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 2446
Loc: Somewhere in the US
First, everyone needs to go to the BITOG thread below.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3399443/So_THAT%27S_why_there%27s_a_wobble#Post3399443

The tire in that thread does NOT have much in the way of cracking - and yet it has a separation. Lack of cracks does not equal a good tire. Cracks is an indicator of something bad, but the opposite is just not true.

Different parts of the US have different climates - in particular, temperatures - so it's difficult to make a blanket statement that is reasonable for the entire US. 6 years seems to be the age limit for tires in hot states (AZ, TX, CA, NV, and FL), while 10 years is the limit for cold states (MY, WI, MN, ND, and ID) States in between are ...... ah ...... in between.

So, Jack, I think at 10 years in CA, you are living on borrowed time.
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#3399607 - 06/17/14 08:47 AM Re: Age [Re: CapriRacer]
y_p_w Offline


Registered: 05/06/05
Posts: 2242
Loc: SF Bay Area
Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
First, everyone needs to go to the BITOG thread below.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3399443/So_THAT%27S_why_there%27s_a_wobble#Post3399443

The tire in that thread does NOT have much in the way of cracking - and yet it has a separation. Lack of cracks does not equal a good tire. Cracks is an indicator of something bad, but the opposite is just not true.

Different parts of the US have different climates - in particular, temperatures - so it's difficult to make a blanket statement that is reasonable for the entire US. 6 years seems to be the age limit for tires in hot states (AZ, TX, CA, NV, and FL), while 10 years is the limit for cold states (MY, WI, MN, ND, and ID) States in between are ...... ah ...... in between.

So, Jack, I think at 10 years in CA, you are living on borrowed time.

But where in California? It's a big state. Some parts have hot desert climates. Where I live it's mild year round. The joke around here is that there is no weather, because the temperature band between winter and summer is so narrow. It gets hotter on average in summer in many of those states you name than it does in my part of California.

Here are the averages for Oakland, California:

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USCA0791

And Oakland, Michigan:

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/48363

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