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#3363230 - 05/06/14 10:05 AM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: BlackWidow]
Ayrton Offline


Registered: 09/28/10
Posts: 658
Loc: Washington State, U.S.
I know the OP is in Europe. However, if someone in North America ever uses this thread for reference, another option you might have out of warranty is Mobil 1 5w-40 Formula M ESP. This is the ESP product for diesel Mercedes with spec 229.51. Sometimes it might be easier or not to find compared to the 5w-30 ESP product.



Edited by Ayrton (05/06/14 10:05 AM)

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#3363246 - 05/06/14 10:30 AM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: dparm]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 991
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Though, M1 0W40 ESP does not meet VW 504.00/507.00.

It does meet MB 229.51, which is a comparable spec. But if he's under warranty, then yeah, better find something that does officially carry the VW spec.




Yeah, I know it carries MB 229.51, VW 502.00. I am thinking he is under warranty that is why I think 5W30 might be better option. Also, Netherlands does not have extreme cold, nor have strong summers.
If they would offer 0W40 ESP here I would use it in a heart bit.



Odd that it's 502 and 229.51. I suspect it would work just fine though.

Most 5W40 oils that I saw are 229.51 and VW 502.00/505.01. 229.51 has higher SAPS then VW 504.00/507.00. Plus, VW 504.00/507.00 is only 5W30 or 0W30.
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#3363252 - 05/06/14 10:32 AM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: Ayrton]
edyvw Offline


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Originally Posted By: Ayrton
I know the OP is in Europe. However, if someone in North America ever uses this thread for reference, another option you might have out of warranty is Mobil 1 5w-40 Formula M ESP. This is the ESP product for diesel Mercedes with spec 229.51. Sometimes it might be easier or not to find compared to the 5w-30 ESP product.


There is a thread somewhere where OP was trying to reduce carbon deposits and M1 5W40 ESP did not do any better then other oils in Audi 2.0T. Actually M1 5W30 ESP proved to leave least amount of deposits. That is actually reason why I went with 5W30ESP, not only because it looks good on paper.
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#3363453 - 05/06/14 02:36 PM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: edyvw]
Ayrton Offline


Registered: 09/28/10
Posts: 658
Loc: Washington State, U.S.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
I know the OP is in Europe. However, if someone in North America ever uses this thread for reference, another option you might have out of warranty is Mobil 1 5w-40 Formula M ESP. This is the ESP product for diesel Mercedes with spec 229.51. Sometimes it might be easier or not to find compared to the 5w-30 ESP product.


There is a thread somewhere where OP was trying to reduce carbon deposits and M1 5W40 ESP did not do any better then other oils in Audi 2.0T. Actually M1 5W30 ESP proved to leave least amount of deposits. That is actually reason why I went with 5W30ESP, not only because it looks good on paper.


This is good information. The 5w-30 ESP does look like a better product on paper too. It's flash point and pour point are better than then Formula M ESP. It probably has better base oils. I wish Amazon had it. I've been toying with the idea, since I go rather short OCIs, of using a ESP product to protect catalytic converter and reduce deposits even though my cars are not direct injected, it almost seems like a waste using high saps as I do since the oil ends up being drained around 5k miles max in my cars.

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#3364069 - 05/06/14 11:08 PM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: Ayrton]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 991
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
I know the OP is in Europe. However, if someone in North America ever uses this thread for reference, another option you might have out of warranty is Mobil 1 5w-40 Formula M ESP. This is the ESP product for diesel Mercedes with spec 229.51. Sometimes it might be easier or not to find compared to the 5w-30 ESP product.


There is a thread somewhere where OP was trying to reduce carbon deposits and M1 5W40 ESP did not do any better then other oils in Audi 2.0T. Actually M1 5W30 ESP proved to leave least amount of deposits. That is actually reason why I went with 5W30ESP, not only because it looks good on paper.


This is good information. The 5w-30 ESP does look like a better product on paper too. It's flash point and pour point are better than then Formula M ESP. It probably has better base oils. I wish Amazon had it. I've been toying with the idea, since I go rather short OCIs, of using a ESP product to protect catalytic converter and reduce deposits even though my cars are not direct injected, it almost seems like a waste using high saps as I do since the oil ends up being drained around 5k miles max in my cars.

They do have it on Amazon, I ordered it (12 liter pack) for $99 2 weeks ago, got it in 4 days.
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#3364138 - 05/07/14 02:04 AM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: edyvw]
Ayrton Offline


Registered: 09/28/10
Posts: 658
Loc: Washington State, U.S.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
I know the OP is in Europe. However, if someone in North America ever uses this thread for reference, another option you might have out of warranty is Mobil 1 5w-40 Formula M ESP. This is the ESP product for diesel Mercedes with spec 229.51. Sometimes it might be easier or not to find compared to the 5w-30 ESP product.


There is a thread somewhere where OP was trying to reduce carbon deposits and M1 5W40 ESP did not do any better then other oils in Audi 2.0T. Actually M1 5W30 ESP proved to leave least amount of deposits. That is actually reason why I went with 5W30ESP, not only because it looks good on paper.


This is good information. The 5w-30 ESP does look like a better product on paper too. It's flash point and pour point are better than then Formula M ESP. It probably has better base oils. I wish Amazon had it. I've been toying with the idea, since I go rather short OCIs, of using a ESP product to protect catalytic converter and reduce deposits even though my cars are not direct injected, it almost seems like a waste using high saps as I do since the oil ends up being drained around 5k miles max in my cars.

They do have it on Amazon, I ordered it (12 liter pack) for $99 2 weeks ago, got it in 4 days.


Thanks, yeah I prefer it to be "sold by amazon." They carry almost everything so I'm surprised they don't have it themselves. However, if I do switch, I will do like you and use a third party on amazon if I have to.


Edited by Ayrton (05/07/14 02:05 AM)

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#3364392 - 05/07/14 10:28 AM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: Ayrton]
edyvw Offline


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Posts: 991
Loc: Colorado Springs
It was third party, but who cares, I got it. First batch I used was Made in Finland, this one is Made in France.
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#3364544 - 05/07/14 01:43 PM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: edyvw]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1667
Loc: London, England
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Ayrton
In Europe, I think there is also a ESP version of 0w-40, so if it also has the approval, that would be another option.

I was about to suggest that.

Yeah, I forgot about 0W40. Though, M1 0W40 ESP does not meet VW 504.00/507.00. In EU this is what is required for FSI engines.
One more thing to consider, you live in Netherlands where climate is very mild. Actually, 5W30 would be preferable because you will reach operating temperature faster. Do not worry about protection. If 5W30 VW 504.00/507.00 is recommended for example Audi S4, then your Polo will not have issues.
I am using it in 2.0TSI engine, no issues at all, and here we have to deal with high sulphur content.


He lives in Germany i thought.
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#3364548 - 05/07/14 01:49 PM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: bigjl]
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Posts: 991
Loc: Colorado Springs
Well, same thing more or less smile
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#3364553 - 05/07/14 01:55 PM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: BlackWidow]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1667
Loc: London, England
A big fan of Mobil 0w40, though i have only used NewLife and TurboDiesel not ESP, ESP is not in Costco so over 50 for 5 litres.

I have used Castrol Edge C3 5w30 and 5w40 in the Pathfinder amd BiLs Vectra which is a 2.2 direct injected petrol.

Would have no issue in using either manufacturers products.

Comma, Shell, Millers and Fuchs all do good products that would do the job nicely.Never used Liqui Moly stuff or know anybody that has.

I would likely buy from one of those brands based purely on price as long as it met my required specs.

Used a less well known, own brand oil, called CarLube in the correct C3 5w30 spec and the Pathfinder rattled like a good un. So known brands for me from now on.

Going to try Demon Oils for the nexf oci on the Jag as EuroCarParts have increased the price on 5w30 C1 and they sell it in 20 or 25 litre containers so good for 3 oci.
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#3364556 - 05/07/14 01:57 PM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: edyvw]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1667
Loc: London, England
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Well, same thing more or less smile


Netherlands is a bit flatter and people likw either caravans, chocolate sprinkles or a "schmmoke".

Germans are more litres of beer, quality meat products and have a strange habit of continually trying to take over Europe!
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#3364560 - 05/07/14 02:00 PM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: bigjl]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 991
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Well, same thing more or less smile


Netherlands is a bit flatter and people likw either caravans, chocolate sprinkles or a "schmmoke".

Germans are more litres of beer, quality meat products and have a strange habit of continually trying to take over Europe!

Yeah I know, I did not refer to that smile
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#3368185 - 05/11/14 03:42 AM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: BlackWidow]
BlackWidow Offline


Registered: 05/02/14
Posts: 5
Loc: Europe
What do you think of Motul X-clean+ 5W-30 (VW504.00)?
This is also easily available here.

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#3371877 - 05/14/14 08:13 PM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: BlackWidow]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 991
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: BlackWidow
What do you think of Motul X-clean+ 5W-30 (VW504.00)?
This is also easily available here.

You can use it with no issues. 5W30 VW 504.00 is preferred oil anyway, Motul is one of best anyway!
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#3382070 - 05/27/14 10:09 AM Re: Which 5W-40 / 0W-40 shall I take and why? [Re: BlackWidow]
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Posts: 1605
Loc: South Florida
Based on certification, any of your choices should suffice, i would think.
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