2013 Civic Si

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Originally Posted By: Miller88
I'd rather have the electronic "software locker" on a front driver than an actual mechanical limited slip.

That would have some serious negative affects on winter handling. As in ... the car is only going to want to go straight when power is applied.

My old '06 Civic Si with the mechanical LSD was quite good in the snow for what it was, much better than the RSX Type-S I had before it which didn't have one.
 
Originally Posted By: gofast182
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: gofast182
I was considering a '10 GTI at one point and one of the things that made me shy away is the thought that if the rotors were warped even slightly that would make the operation noticeable and annoying.


Both Cadillacs I used to own had excellent traction control systems that acted as electronic limited slip devices and they worked great. I used it all the time on those cars. There are certainly drawbacks to mechanical LSDs on FWD cars (which is why they're relatively uncommon). Truth be told, I'd rather have it via the ABS than via a mechanical device in a small and light FWD vehicle.

I just figured you'd notice something like a slightly warped rotor more since a sweeping turn would result in a prolonged period of engagement.


If your rotor is warped, it's warped, that'd be annoying regardless. As for eLSD duty on a braking system, well for LSD purposes, the energy being dealt with is really minimal, nothing like braking. Most LSD types out there are compromises between tractive locking (for power) and passive locking (for low traction wheelspin), which lacks ice traction and driveablility, respectively. eLSD programs are just a no brainer
 
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Originally Posted By: gofast182
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: gofast182
I was considering a '10 GTI at one point and one of the things that made me shy away is the thought that if the rotors were warped even slightly that would make the operation noticeable and annoying.


Both Cadillacs I used to own had excellent traction control systems that acted as electronic limited slip devices and they worked great. I used it all the time on those cars. There are certainly drawbacks to mechanical LSDs on FWD cars (which is why they're relatively uncommon). Truth be told, I'd rather have it via the ABS than via a mechanical device in a small and light FWD vehicle.

I just figured you'd notice something like a slightly warped rotor more since a sweeping turn would result in a prolonged period of engagement.


If your rotor is warped, it's warped, that'd be annoying regardless. As for eLSD duty on a braking system, well for LSD purposes, the energy being dealt with is really minimal, nothing like braking. Most LSD types out there are compromises between tractive locking (for power) and passive locking (for low traction wheelspin), which lacks ice traction and driveablility, respectively. eLSD programs are just a no brainer

Good points. Thanks.
 
I like the Si- always have. Back in 2007 I gave the previous generation car a real hard look. The GTI was my first pick, but the Louisville dealers at that time were just hopeless- one idiot salesman pointing at the red calipers and saying, "See? It's got Brembo brakes."

I wound up with an MS3, deciding that if I was going to get a FWD sport compact it might as well be one of the fastest ones out there. I also didn't care for the mandatory hole in the roof on the Si.

Having said all that, I wish Honda would bring over some of the bonkers Civic Type Rs that they sell in Europe:

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Originally Posted By: MCompact
I like the Si- always have. Back in 2007 I gave the previous generation car a real hard look. The GTI was my first pick, but the Louisville dealers at that time were just hopeless- one idiot salesman pointing at the red calipers and saying, "See? It's got Brembo brakes."

I wound up with an MS3, deciding that if I was going to get a FWD sport compact it might as well be one of the fastest ones out there. I also didn't care for the mandatory hole in the roof on the Si.

Having said all that, I wish Honda would bring over some of the bonkers Civic Type Rs that they sell in Europe:

Agree
It's a shame our market gets so dumbed down with the cars they sell us here.

I have driven the K24 powered SI (2012) and it has gobs of torque, I do prefer the high revving K20 though in comparison, which is why I went for a used 2010 instead of a newer SI.

For the OP, if you think your GF's car revs high, you should take out an 06-11 SI. The rev limiter is beyond the 8,000RPM redline on the tach. Seems like it's around 8200,8300 RPM. Makes great music at that RPM!
 
The Civic was on my short list until I sat in one...the deal killer? The flipping dead pedal....it is moved closer to the drivers seat so you can't rest your foot without bending your leg. I'm only 5'11 and found it uncomfortable.

Other than that it is a fine looking car!
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Will it be faster than circa 2000 5-speed Maxima? Maxima has under 200HP and is larger car but could be similar in weight as cars have not been on a diet for the last decade. Is the Si under or over 6 seconds?

1995-1999 had just under 200HP, 2000-2002 had about 225, and 2003-2004 had about 255. Also, I don't know what year the manual Maxima got a 6-speed instead of a 5 speed.

The other thing to consider is that the Maxima always had a higher displacement engine than any Honda Civic, and that typically means more bottom end torque, which is nice when driving in heavy traffic.

As for weight, I am not really sure. The Maxima grew in size very little between 1985 and 2004
 
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Will it be faster than circa 2000 5-speed Maxima? Maxima has under 200HP and is larger car but could be similar in weight as cars have not been on a diet for the last decade. Is the Si under or over 6 seconds?

1995-1999 had just under 200HP, 2000-2002 had about 225, and 2003-2004 had about 255. Also, I don't know what year the manual Maxima got a 6-speed instead of a 5 speed.

The other thing to consider is that the Maxima always had a higher displacement engine than any Honda Civic, and that typically means more bottom end torque, which is nice when driving in heavy traffic.

As for weight, I am not really sure. The Maxima grew in size very little between 1985 and 2004


Maxima got a 6 speed in 2002. Also the first year for the 3.5.
I owned one, it was a fast car. Although at this point probably no faster than a 2013 Civic SI, and if it is faster, it is not by much at all.

All I can say though is, the 2.4 Civic SI is insanely torquey... Totally different drive than my car, its all high end.

I have to disagree with the size comment. The 2004 Maxima is a pig, especially when compared to an 80's Maxima.

The largest single jump in size if you ask me took place between the 4th and 5th generation (99-00 changeover) The 4th generation 95-99 is still my favorite Maxima ever, and always will be. Love that VQ30 engine!
 
I never thought 99-00 changeover had that of a size jump. Now if you are talking about the next generation, then ya, it did become huge. It also jumped up in size before aka when it became rounded from being square i.e. from 3rd to 4th generation.

My son is driving 2000 5-speed and will need something at least as fast when he purchases his own car.

Do 2.4 Civic SI share the same drive-train with Acura ILX? It was lot of fun on the test drive but I did not think it was faster than the Maxima. But I did not do back to back testing, so I could be wrong.
 
Just took a 700 mile trip to Tennessee with the Si. Averaged 32 mpg for the trip. Lots of highway, most speed limits at 70mph. We were easily doing 70-80mph on most of the drive.

Not too bad considering the rating for this car is 22/31. Even in 6th gear the revs stay high, so I honestly expected mileage to be a little lower.

Surprisingly comfy ride for such a long trip. Great seats and pretty quiet, less road noise than my Mazda 6.
 
Originally Posted By: Grambo
How is the clutch take up and feel?


Very good overall. Definitely not as light as lots of the new MT's out there today (including my own). Good connecting when releasing the clutch into gear. I am not a big fan of a super smooth transition into gear, a like a little more of a direct and "snappy" feel when you make the shifts. The Si is good with this in my book. While I do enjoy the shifter more in my Mazda6, the clutch is a little too light. I prefer the Si.

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
I'm always impressed when a girl chooses a manual transmission. Most girls don't wanna bother with it.


She wasn't looking for an Si originally. She wanted something a little bigger and was looking for a MT Accord Sport. But around here, finding a MT Honda is tough. The only one on the lot was the Si. She drove it and was sold.

As far as her driving a manual... yeah, she impresses me. I don't like telling her she can drive a stick better than me, but I am pretty sure she does. lol
 
I recently picked up a '13 Si Sedan also and I absolutely love this thing! I've always been a RWD guy but this little Honda is an absolute blast to drive. As mentioned previously, the torque that the 2.4 puts out makes it such a pleasure to drive... even in stop and go traffic back in '08 I looked into getting a Si Sedan as a commuter, but the lack of low end torque just wasn't for me.

BTW this is my first post... looking forward to learning a lot from you guys!
 
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