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#2643281 - 06/02/12 05:36 PM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: r34dy2fly]
r34dy2fly Offline


Registered: 11/02/08
Posts: 153
Loc: Fort Polk, LA
Why the 5w40? Manual recommends 5w30 no? I know the T5 has a slightly bigger turbo but I figured they were the same all around. I'll keep running PU for now. I still need to break the engine down and do some cleaning but that will come with time. :P
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08 BMW M3 - Castrol TWS 10W-60
05 Volvo S60 - PU 5W-30

Past:
01 Porsche 911 Turbo
04 Mazda 3s
93 Mazda RX-7 R1

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#2643741 - 06/03/12 09:34 AM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: r34dy2fly]
Astro14 Offline


Registered: 10/10/10
Posts: 4568
Loc: Virginia Beach
If you read my first post, then go back and read the fine print in your OM...you'll see where the 5W40, or 0W30 is recommended...and read the TNN link here:

http://www.volvoxc.com/resources/how-to/pdf/01-23-09/TNN,%20Lubrication%20System%20Contamination%20Cleaning.pdf

You really want an ACEA A3/B3...your choice of the PU 5W40 Euro is excellent...I had a great UOA on my XC with that oil...7,500 miles with very low wear metals and plenty of TBN left...it sees mostly city driving.

Just stick with what you've got...
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32 Packard 15W40
90 4Runner 10W40 QS4X4
92 300E 5W40 LiquiMoly
02 Volvo V70 T5 0W40 M1
02 Volvo V70 XC 5W30 PU
05 MB S600 0W40 M1
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#2647965 - 06/07/12 08:32 PM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: Astro14]
Kira Offline


Registered: 08/19/10
Posts: 1107
Loc: Champlain/Hudson Valley
Hello, I'm on my 2nd 5 cylinder Volvo engine. Alas, they're non-turbos in which I run either Mobil1 10W-30 or WOLF'S HEAD 5W-30 conventional on 7,500 OCIs. In the family's 3 turbo-charged engines I've run only Castrol GC, the 0W-30 or Mobil1 0W-40 on strict 5,000 mile OCIs. I've never had a problem. I think you're in the right ballpark with your oil considerations. I agree with the suggestion of accelerating the OCI in any engine with a questionable maintenance history. Try running an inexpensive scope through the drain hole and look for sludge. In the Saabs, dropping the oil pan is a standard inspection for a used prospect. On both the Volvo boards I read and the Saabnet Seafoam, as well as other "run-'em-for-the-final-1,000 miles-of-an-OCI" cleaners get a clean bill of health. Don't over think this one. Kira

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#2658898 - 06/19/12 05:09 PM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: Kira]
Volvohead Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 3550
Loc: SE Pa
Originally Posted By: Kira
Hello, I'm on my 2nd 5 cylinder Volvo engine. Alas, they're non-turbos in which I run either Mobil1 10W-30 or WOLF'S HEAD 5W-30 conventional on 7,500 OCIs. . . .


The NA white blocks will run practically forever on a much less robust oil than the turbos need.

I currently run RTS in our NA 855 at 5k OCIs, which is lubrication overkill for it, but it just loves that viscosity. In the past, I've run oils as basic as Mobil Clean 5000, and a variety of other conventionals and semi-syns that I would never put in my R. You can just about eat off the valve train at approaching 250k miles.

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#2692525 - 07/23/12 08:30 AM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: r34dy2fly]
r34dy2fly Offline


Registered: 11/02/08
Posts: 153
Loc: Fort Polk, LA
Its about that time again so I'll probably be heading in to change out my oil. This will be my last "sooner than later" oil change to clear out any doubts I've had about the motor and clean it up a bit.

It was either the PU or Kreen that did a [censored] of a cleaning regarding varnish on the car. A part of me wants to keep running PU because of it but I just found GC at a local Advanced Auto Parts and was tempted to give it a try.
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08 BMW M3 - Castrol TWS 10W-60
05 Volvo S60 - PU 5W-30

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01 Porsche 911 Turbo
04 Mazda 3s
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#2695015 - 07/25/12 03:38 PM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: r34dy2fly]
magnus308 Offline


Registered: 05/10/11
Posts: 43
Loc: Sweden / Stockholm
Since i have a S60 2,5T 2005 i can post something about my service history...

The first 3 services is done with approximately 18000 miles intervals
and now i drive much less per year so its enough to change the oil once per year.
I know that in the U.S its considered insane to run 18000 miles between oil changes but i guess that my car is an example that its possible to do it here in Europe.
The most expensive mistake that can be done with a whiteblock turbo is to run it on a cheap dino oil, Stay with high quality synthetics and the PCV system will stay clean even if the service intervals are long. The PCV system on those engines gets clogged easily with a low quality oil and is horrible to clean. Price at the Volvo shop here is about 800-1000 USD for a full cleaning.
My PCV still works excellent and have never been cleaned.

This car had approx 88000 Miles when the pics was taken and its spotless inside and runs great.

1st service interval 31 745 kilometer = 19725 miles with same oil
2st Service interval 29 609 kilometer = 18398 miles with same oil
3st Service interval 28 428 kilometer = 17664 miles with same oil

Only Castrol Edge 0W30 A5/B5 have been used while it was serviced at the Volvo shop ,Its the only approved oil for the 2005- whiteblocks here in Sweden.
At the moment i do the oil chnages myself and i use Redline 0W30 in the engine and will continue to do so.

I had a very limited amount of paper to wipe off the oil
from the oilfiller hole so the yellow on the pic is only oil and not varnish.



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#2695190 - 07/25/12 05:51 PM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: r34dy2fly]
r34dy2fly Offline


Registered: 11/02/08
Posts: 153
Loc: Fort Polk, LA
Looks very clean!

Honestly, I have so much random gunk on my engine oil filler that it gets depressing. I almost want to just start scraping at it. :P
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08 BMW M3 - Castrol TWS 10W-60
05 Volvo S60 - PU 5W-30

Past:
01 Porsche 911 Turbo
04 Mazda 3s
93 Mazda RX-7 R1

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#2695321 - 07/25/12 07:49 PM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: magnus308]
Sam_Julier Offline


Registered: 05/22/12
Posts: 165
Loc: Connecticut
You have demonstrated the value of high quality synthetics better than any post I have read yet. Thank you.
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2007 Volvo V70 2.4L PC Duron 0W30
2004 Volvo V70 2.4L PC Duron 0W30
1993 Volvo 245 T3 10W30 SM

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#2695690 - 07/26/12 07:14 AM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: r34dy2fly]
skyship Offline


Registered: 06/09/12
Posts: 2071
Loc: Tettnang, Baden-Wurttemberg, G...
I own an old Volvo V40 1.9D and do know what Volvo use for engine oil and I would recommend you read the handbook, as it will list exactly which oil type is best. For most older Volvo's it lists 5/40 Castrol Magnetec which is now available as an HC synthetic, BUT for more recent cars it lists Castrol Edge 5/30 or Longlife 0/30. You can look up the exact spec on the Castrol oil finder chart.

If it does not list 5/40 or 0/40 in the guide, DON'T USE IT, because a 30 weight oil will get pumped around the engine faster than a 40 and that may have cooling implications for your engine type. For some reason I don't fully understand Volvo do not recommend 0W oils for some engine types, although I suspect it is because an oil with a narrower difference between cold and hot viscosity does not break down so easily when used for long service applications.
Most Volvo owners in Germany do not use Castrol Edge or the newer Longlife oils because they are too expensive and use fully synthetic Liqui Moly Synthoil High Tech 5/40 or one of the other LM HC synthetic oils.

If your engine has a dodgy past, it might be worth removing the sump and cleaning it and the oil feed pick up, but if you don't have hard evidence of bad sludge, then just use an idle only flush additive before the oil change and switch to a quality fully synthetic 5/40 (If that range is listed) and always use a real Volvo filter. Change oil and filter at half the service interval for the next few changes and then decide on your final service schedule.

Always DYOR and read the good book, as the owners handbooks are the most under read but most widely published books in history.

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#2695806 - 07/26/12 09:55 AM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: skyship]
dparm Offline


Registered: 04/19/10
Posts: 12541
Loc: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: skyship


If it does not list 5/40 or 0/40 in the guide, DON'T USE IT, because a 30 weight oil will get pumped around the engine faster than a 40 and that may have cooling implications for your engine type. For some reason I don't fully understand Volvo do not recommend 0W oils for some engine types, although I suspect it is because an oil with a narrower difference between cold and hot viscosity does not break down so easily when used for long service applications.



There are plenty of Xw30s that are nearly as thick as Xw40s. I don't see it being a big problem. Lots of people here have run the 40-weights in the Volvo turbos.
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#2695905 - 07/26/12 10:59 AM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: skyship]
Volvohead Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 3550
Loc: SE Pa
I cannot agree with most of Skyship's post.

First off, the 1.9 diesel is not the same as a white block (WB). Completely different designs.

About the "book": VCNA had "dodgy" published oil specifications here for many years, and permitted dealers to pump cheap bulk conventional "energy saving" 5w-30 into high pressure WB turbos for 7.500 mi OCIs. And many did, sludging up quite a few.

Perhaps things were different in Europe. But that's what went on here in the US.

Trust the enthusiasts and the Volvo indys in the field, who have to deal with these once they get traded in out of warranty.

The ONLY reason VCNA was recommending 5w-30 in them was to meet advertised fuel efficiency. The WBs are designed for and run well on heavier oils. The only caveat is that the oil be suitable for the anticipated winter temps, and that a heavier oil will increase turbo spool-up, which could reduce performance.

There is no requirement to run a Castrol product in a Volvo - it is pure cross-marketing that Castrol paid for. Shell and XOM make great oils, too.

I will again repeat: in a Pre-1999 WB, a heavier oil is preferred to reduce consumption. After '99, Volvo improved the ring pack and consumption is much less of an issue on lighter oils

In the NA WBs, you can run a less robust oil than in the turbos, provided a more modest OCI is observed. The NA engines are easier on oil. The turbos are not.

In the turbos, the oil composition and specification is far more important than the viscosity, and the use of an A3 full synthetic oil is STRONGLY recommended. You will not see any of that in ANY Volvo owners manual in North America for most years. And despite what the owners manual says, a plain jane conventional "starburst" API-SL or SM oil won't cut it in a turbo for very long . . . and certainly not for 7,500 miles.

Good oils for the turbo WBs include M1 0w-40, GC, and RTS. The last two are at or near a 40 wt. I would opt for GC or Redline in a higher pressure T5 or R engine. You can run a little lighter with Redline (which makes it a better track oil IMO), but need to avoid short trips more with it. An R in particular can be very hard on even the best oils depending on how hard it is driven.

All change intervals should be baselined at 5k to start, and only extended after a confirming UOA. If you run a better synthetic in a NA, 7,500 is easy.

And NEVER, EVER run a solvent flush through a turbo WB. It's a great way to score up the turbo bearing. I've recovered colleagues' WBs that the dealer wanted $5k to desludge with $45 worth of ARX.

I do agree that the best filter for a Volvo is the OEM, and that is usually also a Mann or Mahle.

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#2696426 - 07/26/12 06:14 PM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: r34dy2fly]
fcbuff Offline


Registered: 02/24/07
Posts: 38
Loc: Fort Collins Colorado
I used GC in my XC90 with 2.5T and changed it every 5k. It was immaculate!
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#2697491 - 07/27/12 08:29 PM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: r34dy2fly]
r34dy2fly Offline


Registered: 11/02/08
Posts: 153
Loc: Fort Polk, LA
Most likely will be filling up with GC here within a month or so. It will probably be the last change before the new year. smile
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08 BMW M3 - Castrol TWS 10W-60
05 Volvo S60 - PU 5W-30

Past:
01 Porsche 911 Turbo
04 Mazda 3s
93 Mazda RX-7 R1

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#2698031 - 07/28/12 02:13 PM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: r34dy2fly]
Astro14 Offline


Registered: 10/10/10
Posts: 4568
Loc: Virginia Beach
r34dy2fly - GC is a great choice for this car...are you using the factory 7,500 mile OCI?

And Magnus - that oil filler is so clean, it makes me envious...mine weren't clean when I bought the cars...not that clean anyway...though the inside of the engines are clean now (thanks to Pennzoil Ultra, M1 and GC that have been run through them over the years).
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32 Packard 15W40
90 4Runner 10W40 QS4X4
92 300E 5W40 LiquiMoly
02 Volvo V70 T5 0W40 M1
02 Volvo V70 XC 5W30 PU
05 MB S600 0W40 M1
06 Corolla 5W30 Edge

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#2698124 - 07/28/12 04:12 PM Re: 2005 Volvo S60 2.5T Oil Recommendation? [Re: r34dy2fly]
r34dy2fly Offline


Registered: 11/02/08
Posts: 153
Loc: Fort Polk, LA
I'm actually still doing 5000 mile OCI as I'm still trying to clean up a lot of the gunk that was left behind from previous owners. I don't even want to show anyone what my oil filler looks like. If I wasn't concerned that some of it might fall into the sump, I'd scrape at it. :P

I'll have to do one more PU OCI as it was on sale at WalMart where as the GC was sitting at a pretty $9/qt before taxes. :P
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08 BMW M3 - Castrol TWS 10W-60
05 Volvo S60 - PU 5W-30

Past:
01 Porsche 911 Turbo
04 Mazda 3s
93 Mazda RX-7 R1

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