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#2692398 - 07/23/12 03:09 AM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
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Are they going to call it Ecore for short? wink
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#2692473 - 07/23/12 07:00 AM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: Garak]
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Are they going to call it Ecore for short? wink


You had to go there didn't you? whistle
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#2692505 - 07/23/12 07:58 AM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: CATERHAM]
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Registered: 07/17/11
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Hope this link works. It'll take you to Google Drive
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxnjLrqu5mkvMVBBUWNnQzI2WTA

In case it doesn't work here's what it sais:
INDEX: 649-467-00-8
CAS: 64742-54-7
EC: 265-157-1
DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM), HYDROTREATED HEAVY PARAFFINIC
25 <= x % < 50

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#2692710 - 07/23/12 11:20 AM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
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Interesting. That's the 5w40. I wonder if the other varieties are very different. Do you have the old MSDS?
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#2692760 - 07/23/12 12:32 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: chubbs1]
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Originally Posted By: chubbs1
Originally Posted By: dparm

I would not pay for their 0w40 over M1 0w40 anyway.

With Motul 300V at more than twice the price of M1 0W-40 I wouldn't either.
In fact with Red Line being relatively cheap here in NA, it's hard to beat in an ester based oil over the more expensive Motul. I'd prefer RL 0W-30, 0W-40 and 5W-50 to all of the 30wt and heavier Motul oils. With HTHSVs ranging from 3.2cP to 5.6cP and a VI no lower than 183 you can mix and match to make whatever you want in that viscosity range.
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#2692801 - 07/23/12 01:15 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
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Agree that by specs and pricing alone the 300V is not a good value. But without seeing any UOAs (or even VOAs) we can't be certain.

I will probably try it out regardless. Thank God this car doesn't need 10L like the old one did...
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#2692985 - 07/23/12 03:17 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
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Originally Posted By: dparm
Agree that by specs and pricing alone the 300V is not a good value. But without seeing any UOAs (or even VOAs) we can't be certain.

I will probably try it out regardless.


Same here, and although EVERYONE on here states, "basestocks alone do not a great oil make" (just like they do for addpacks), it does appear that Motul's basestocks beat BOTH Mobil's 0W-40 AND Red Line's 0W-40 basestocks, and at least match them on addpacks.

So who knows?? shrug Time and use alone will tell. wink
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#2692990 - 07/23/12 03:23 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
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Exactly, that's why I plan to try it out.

I've been meaning to call Joey lately, maybe I'll ask him for some details on the new Core basestock.
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#2693061 - 07/23/12 04:39 PM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: dparm]
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#2825530 - 12/06/12 03:11 AM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: CATERHAM]
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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: chubbs1
Originally Posted By: dparm

I would not pay for their 0w40 over M1 0w40 anyway.

With Motul 300V at more than twice the price of M1 0W-40 I wouldn't either.


I'm sorry, don't want to open the can of worms, but the only time that M1 0W-40 gets close to Motul 300V is on paper, in the real life (and especially if you track your car) its ridiculous to compare them. Motul 300V is a ¨boutique¨ high performance ester oil and Mobil 1 is a group 3 ¨synthetic¨, on the shelf one. I have used both and IMO no comparison is posible.

I think the big difference between the prices of both oils is not a casualty.
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#2825572 - 12/06/12 05:55 AM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: turbokick]
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Originally Posted By: turbokick


I'm sorry, don't want to open the can of worms, but the only time that M1 0W-40 gets close to Motul 300V is on paper, in the real life (and especially if you track your car) its ridiculous to compare them. Motul 300V is a ¨boutique¨ high performance ester oil and Mobil 1 is a group 3 ¨synthetic¨, on the shelf one. I have used both and IMO no comparison is posible.

I think the big difference between the prices of both oils is not a casualty.


According to this oil test Gokhan posted the expensive boutique-oils don't look so good.

http://bmwservice.livejournal.com/27699.html

Despite all the godly PAO and esters and whatnot the results are not what you would expect.
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#2825582 - 12/06/12 06:25 AM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: OpelFever]
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Originally Posted By: OpelFever
Originally Posted By: turbokick




According to this oil test Gokhan posted the expensive boutique-oils don't look so good.

http://bmwservice.livejournal.com/27699.html

Despite all the godly PAO and esters and whatnot the results are not what you would expect.



As I said I don't expect anything, I have used them (M1 for years) and I know from personal experience (on the track) that Motul 300V performs way better compared to Mobil 1. When you hold your engin above 5000rpm for some time the difference became quite noticeable.
Try making a whole drift/track day and you'll see what's the difference between PAO/Ester high-priced oils and the group 3 ¨synthetics¨.

If you drive ¨granny style¨ you can live your whole life without seeing any difference except the higher price, but as far as you begin practicing some motorsports discipline you'll see that nobody pays more bucks for the same thing and that more expensive things cost more for a reason.
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#2825666 - 12/06/12 09:07 AM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: OpelFever]
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Registered: 07/27/06
Posts: 1808
Loc: Virginia
Originally Posted By: OpelFever

According to this oil test Gokhan posted the expensive boutique-oils don't look so good.

http://bmwservice.livejournal.com/27699.html

Despite all the godly PAO and esters and whatnot the results are not what you would expect.


Cooking an oil at over 700°F in a glass flask and visually evaluating the sludge formed is utterly meaningless. The conditions are not even close to an automotive engine and no correlation to engine performance has been established. No scientific conclusions whatsoever can be drawn from such testing, and the results are more apt to mislead than guide.

The engine and/or fleet tests conducted for certification under API, ILSAC, and ACEA standards are run is actual engines under very severe conditions with standardized equipment and procedures and all variables under control. These are the only scientifically valid methods for evaluating motor oil performance in engines. Everything else is marketing.

Your best guide for selecting motor oils is certification under the official specifications relevant to your engine/environment/driving pattern.

Tom NJ

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#2825751 - 12/06/12 10:01 AM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: Tom NJ]
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Loc: Finland
While I agree with everything you posted, I would like some kind of rational explanation as to why some of the oils left almost no residue while others left a lot of burned sludge?

Eventhough there may be no relevance to actual engine operation, it's odd that similarly specced oils react so differently to heat.

As far as marketing goes, I don't think the test favoured any brand or specific oil and was more of an armchair science project.
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#2825765 - 12/06/12 10:10 AM Re: Motul 300V Ester Core oil launched [Re: Tom NJ]
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Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 30181
Loc: NJ
Originally Posted By: Tom NJ
Originally Posted By: OpelFever

According to this oil test Gokhan posted the expensive boutique-oils don't look so good.

http://bmwservice.livejournal.com/27699.html

Despite all the godly PAO and esters and whatnot the results are not what you would expect.


Cooking an oil at over 700°F in a glass flask and visually evaluating the sludge formed is utterly meaningless. The conditions are not even close to an automotive engine and no correlation to engine performance has been established. No scientific conclusions whatsoever can be drawn from such testing, and the results are more apt to mislead than guide.

The engine and/or fleet tests conducted for certification under API, ILSAC, and ACEA standards are run is actual engines under very severe conditions with standardized equipment and procedures and all variables under control. These are the only scientifically valid methods for evaluating motor oil performance in engines. Everything else is marketing.

Your best guide for selecting motor oils is certification under the official specifications relevant to your engine/environment/driving pattern.

Tom NJ


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