Originally Posted By: lawnsbymike
Quick Question for you....
What is physically wrong to the engine to change the oil at 3k miles with synthetic?
Would you be happier and healthier if you had clean constantly flushing your system or if you were drinking dirty oil. I sleep at night with 3k mile oil changes. Every single oil change I can feel and hear the difference in the idle of my engine after fresh oil is put in. I don't know about you, but the sound of an engine tells me a lot. If I was had dirty water in my stomach you would probably hear my tummy making some funny noises, not to mention my tummy wouldn't be happy.
I'm not one to argue if 5k, 10k, or 15k oil change are bad, I personally don't care. However, in my opinion, I run 3,000 mile oil changes. Never had or sold a vehicle that hasn't ran over 250,000 miles without even hick upping. Waters good for your body, water with dirt is not. Milk is good for your body, spoiled milk is not. My tummy's happier at night with clean milk in my stomach, my bodies happier with clean water in it, and my engines are happier by listening to the sound of them, with clean gold oil in them.
This comparo makes no sense.
And youve got knowledgeable members telling you that more frequent oil changes strip the anti-wear layer off,which will increase wear,until the new oil lays down its anti-wear layer.
Yet you stand there on your soap box refusing to believe it.
What is obviously going over your head is the term serviceable oil.
You are draining serviceable oil to replace it with serviceable oil. Just because it's black doesn't mean in any way that it's dirty and leaving that dirt behind.
You come here asking questions then when they are answered you ignore it and say we are wrong.
So why did you even bother asking?
Every answer you've gotten is basically saying the same thing,yet you refuse to believe it.
By the way the earth is round too.
Just because your mind is closed to learn doesn't make the facts change.
A 3000 mile interval on your truck is absurd. I have a small fleet of them.
If you truly believe that all those engines achieved the mileages they did because you did frequent oil changes then bud I've got a bridge in every city to sell you,cheap. You can charge tolls on them and get set up to retire.
Since your here open your mind and learn something.
You think 3000 mile oil changes are keeping your engine clean do ya.
Well Tig can show you pics of his spotless engine internals at 10000 mile intervals,I can show you pics of 2 spotless first gen LS engines that I own running 10000 mile intervals too. In fact I'll put a stack of folding cash on that most every member here running extended drains can show you pics of their clean engines too.
So get over yourself.
And you touched on additive depletion. Exactly what additives do you think are getting depleted that they require a complete drain to help.
None of the anti-wear agents nor the friction modifiers deplete in any meaningful way during an interval. What depletes is the tbn,not the anti-wear agents,and those are what affect wear for the most part.
Look at Amsoil's best oil. It's rated for 25000 miles. The anti-wear and friction modifiers aren't really much higher than oils meant for half the mileage.
Why?
Because they don't get depleted. What gets depleted is the oils acid neutralizing ability and a quart of make up oil every 10000 miles cures that.
Let me guess. Your one of those guys that think because the oils black it needs to be changed. Obviously.
I'll bet you think synthetic oil is more slippery too.
Wrong again.
The benefits to synthetics are extended intervals. They don't reduce wear vs their conventional counterparts. If you bothered to educate yourself before opening your mouth and inserting your foot you'd have learned that there is no wear difference between a syn or conventional when running a 5000 mile interval. In fact mineral oil has an edge because they are polar on such a short interval.
So you are spending more money for absolutely no gain.
A fool and his money.......
And just to add to your data point of high mileage vehicles getting there because you changed the oil frequently I've got work vans with 450k,personal vehicles nearing 300k,and in the past I've driven 2 different trucks to the 450k mileage and they ran fantastic when totalled or broken beyond fiscally responsible repair.
All my vehicles run a 10000 mile drain and in the case of the work vans they are fully loaded with tools including a generator,air compressor and tools enough for a 5 man framing crew and they have strong running engines that have never been opened up running 10k intervals using the cheapest oil I can find.
So wake up,because your dreaming if you've fooled yourself into believing your 3000 mile oil change intervals made that happen.
I can show you a dozen examples of engines running well beyond those miles using a lesser oil at triple the mileage interval.
I find it amusing that you start a thread here,get answers,refuse to believe the answers and dismiss them like you're an expert.
I suggest re-reading this thread,absorbing the answers and thanking everyone for sharing.
Or just keep doing what your doing because you think it's best,and you would be wrong.
The funniest part I've read is that on oil with 3000 miles you've convinced yourself the engine sounds better with new oil.
That's funny. Because oil actually requires oxidation to activate the anti-wear agents and heat. So your new oil is actually less effective than the oil you dumped.
But the mind is a powerful thing,as proven but the notions you've convinced yourself of.
No one here has anything to teach you as you already know it all.
You even had Dnewton answer you. This guy has multiple thousands of uoa,compiled from over a decade being here,as well as acquiring them elsewhere. He has so much real data,that reflects hundreds of different brands of engines it would make your head spin,yet you ignore his advice.
He has real world data from which he derives his opinion which you dismiss.
Perhaps you get all your data and info from commercials. Heaven knows the marketing departments of oil companies certainly is the right place to learn from. Did you know if a pretty girl in a bikini changes your oil your live forever.
And your water comparison isn't even remotely relevant. Nor is it apples to apples.
I've got a great idea. How about I dump serviceable oil,and replace it with serviceable oil. Good idea?
Maybe try the search function. I was surprised to learn that brand new oil in bottles isn't as clean,based on particle counts,as used oil is as long as the filter is still serviceable.
So that new "clean" oil your pouring in is actually less clean than what's coming out. Just because the oil is black in no way means it's dirty.
Apparently you need to adjust your entire outlook on today's lubricants and their abilities because you aren't even stuck in yesterday.
I'll apologize right now for this post if it offends you. I'm not trying to offen you however your the type of guy who is set in his ways no matter how backwards,and you won't admit your wrong therefore you need to be addressed in a way that will make you question what you think you know.
The only way to do that is to challenge you as I have in this post. Only then will you did deeper,in order to prove me wrong,and while you did you'll see the points that were made by myself and others were right,and then you'll learn.
Because right now the gates are shut,and that's sad. Life is learning Donetsk g everyday. You aren't learning which stunts you in all aspects of your life.
Do you really want to be sitting around with your buddies,spouting off all that nonsense you've posted only to be corrected and look foolish in front of everyone.
Or would you rather be the guy doing the correcting. That's your choice,because it is a choice. You can choose to learn,to evolve,or you can ignore truth and face extinction.
Would you rather sit in the garage and teach your son truth,or feed him that nonsense you've posted here,so that he goes out and repeats you,and he gets corrected and looks like a fool and in his mind his dad,his hero,the man who has taught him everything is wrong and he looks the fool because of something you taught him.
It's your call.
There was a time people believed the sun revolved around the earth and the earth was the center of the universe,And there was a time the world was thought to be flat.
Those stubborn people refused to believe the truth and in the process they lost something more valuable than money.
Sit down. Read some threads. Open your mind. Stay awhile. We are glad to have ya.
You'll find we have some very,very smart people here. We've got novelists,engineers,IT technicians,mechanics,tribologists and everything in between.
I learn something new here every single day. I've learned things here that at one time would have bet my life on and I was wrong.
I was once like you. Bullheaded,refused to believe what I was being told. To be honest common sense does tell me that new oil is better than old and that short intervals are better than extending them but the engineering department here at bitog has proven to me that what I thought was common sense was wrong,and I was explained why it was wrong.
If you stay long enough you'll see. From where your standing bitog is a brave new world,challenging all you think you know about oil.
Are you up for the challenge. Will you hear the call. Or will you forever remain decades behind b
Yes the 60s built some bad a$$ cars,but the oil sucked. You are trying to keep that manner of thinking today,and it no longer applies.
There will be a planet of the apes moment where it hits you and you'll then see its open eyes,first you gotta hear(see) the words.
