1912 Cadillac and 1925 Model T had push button start
Toyota Switches Car Keys To Conserve Chips
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In 15 years of using push button start cars, the worst thing that happened to me is my key fob battery ran low enough that I was instructed to hold the fob next to the button on the dash and press it. Car started. Thank god. Replaced the battery in the fob when I arrived home.
I was skeptical when they came out, but now I never want to go back to keys.
I was skeptical when they came out, but now I never want to go back to keys.
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The new Toyota Fobs at least have a passive (non powered) RFID chip in them - just like any old chip key. When your fob works it transmits that code electronically. If the battery goes bad or electronics in the fob fail you can hold the fob directly below the button and the button has a reader that will read the chip. Its zero difference from a chip key at that point.But will it work in 2418?
Now, I agree I prefer we didn't have chip keys, not because of the chips but because you cant just swap ECU's around - but that's been here for how long?
I also don't understand the issue with inserting a key and turning it, although mechanical key mechanisms wear out at some point as well.
Not sure it would bother me. I can’t do my job these days without my phone, due to MFA. So now I can’t work a computer without my phone now, lol.
So you drive only pre-1985 cars? I guess odb-i systems could be debugged with a paperclip so pre-1996?
You can make the case that keys and associated parts are not necessary. I would be willing to bet you will see more and more cell phone "keys".
My life is pretty easy with no payments and not "embracing the tech". I do have a Bluetooth radio so I guess I'm slowly getting there.
You da man! Pretty soon you will be officially geeky.
BMW and Hyundai are integrating their NFC/UWB “keys” into Apple Wallet. I think everyone should as well.
Wood fired computer?
Basically. 8 year old laptop that is driving me crazy I'll admitWood fired computer?
I suppose since its a disposable vehicle nowadays, and everyone is a millionaire, and can afford the latest and greatest with a super duper warranty every 4 to 5 years, the electronics is just fine. Since I'm not a millionaire and will never spend such crazy amount of $ on any new car now, I'm stuck with 20 to 50 some year antiques to drive. A brand new car to some of us is a nice 14 year old vehicle.
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In that case I guess a trip to a dealer or locksmith is in order haha. Probably a lock smith as i could imagine they would be cheaper.
In those cases, the main thing that will kill the system is water intrusion with the trunk mounted oscillators/receivers that sense the fob. The earlier Toyota systems(2nd gen Prius/3rd gen Lexus LS) had a cargo bay mounted oscillator, the Lexus also had a second one mounted in the rear package shelf to sense a fob in the trunk or inside the car to prevent a lockout. The door handles had built in antennas with oscillators as well. The newer systems are less complex.
Coworker of mine just leased a 22/23 Camry LE AWD
$500something a month
We found the torque box plugs and front air deflectors in the glove box, the front plate was installed crooked
Island Toyota PDI can suck a lemon
It only came with one key fob, but two mechanical keys
They said they'll mail him the second one in a month or two
$500something a month
We found the torque box plugs and front air deflectors in the glove box, the front plate was installed crooked
Island Toyota PDI can suck a lemon
It only came with one key fob, but two mechanical keys
They said they'll mail him the second one in a month or two
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