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Like the title says, does anyone know about the base stock for the super tech full synthetics?
Supertech a Group 2 or Group 3 based oil?
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Information is proprietary so it is not likely that we will ever find out. But Mobil’s EHC base stocks (Group II+) can be used to formulate Dexos approved lubricants.
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I read somewhere that Warren is a big purchaser of EHC
I understand that EM's EHC can be combined with Group III base stocks to meet Dexos1 Gen 3. However, can Walmart legally market Super Tech Full Synthetic oil as a full synthetic (Group III) if the base oil used in the formulation is a combination of EM's EHC base stocks and Group III?
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I would like to know that also.
There are no laws in the US (or anywhere else besides Germany for the matter) regarding marketing terms such as “synthetic”. Just as there was no “lawsuit” in the Mobil/Castrol marketing dispute. I’m not even sure it’s a law in Germany or some sort of other requirement.
Makes licenses, specifications and approvals most significant.
Makes licenses, specifications and approvals most significant.
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Mind you that Group I, II and III base stocks aren’t determined by the production process only by the resulting level of saturates, sulfur and the viscosity index.
Don't know the answer but it's good enough for Dexos spec. If you're concerned that your neighbors will dis you for using WM brands, try Costco Kirkland, same thing in a different bottle.
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Who said Super Tech Full Synthetic is using EHC?
Exactly. I’m wondering this also.
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From my understanding of the literature, 5w-30 is the only viscosity cited to achieve dexos1 with EHC p to now.
It is a law afaik in Germany, i remember readind last year that Motul had to pay a pretty big fine for selling Group III oils as Vollsyntetisch in Germany.
If it's Group III in Germany it's usually labeled as HC-Synthese or something similar.
Hypothetically yes, since there are no guidelines regulating the composition of synthetic oils. It has morphed into a term that is used to define performance level.
Legally ? What law(s) define "synthetic" ? One could argue that the addition of additives make it "synthetic".
Not really. It still means a process such as severe hydrocracking where you’re assembling precursors, not just “cleaning” the base stock. Chevron for example does not call their “Group II+” base a synthetic.
Synthetic still means synthesis.
True, the term does signify a certain amount of refinement, but there is ultimately no governance on how the term can be used for marketing finished products.
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Chevron calls it Synthetic Technology.
Correct.
Havoline Synthetic Technology
I bought couple boxes (6 qt) of Havoline PRO-DS Full Synthetic 5W-30 dexos gen 2. I like Chevron oil. Used to buy Supreme at Costco. Came home and did a little research and saw Havoline also has Conventional, Synthetic blend and Synthetic Technology. What is Synthetic "Technology"? Is that a...
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wemay
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Bumping this thread.
I forgot that i had asked this question to Chevron/Havoline in 2020 (about their Synthetic Technology). And they divulged only that the Synthetic Technology has more Synthetic base than their Blend.....
I forgot that i had asked this question to Chevron/Havoline in 2020 (about their Synthetic Technology). And they divulged only that the Synthetic Technology has more Synthetic base than their Blend.....
Havoline's Synthetic Technology. How it differs from Synthetic Blend? (chat tech line)
I have seen the term, "synthetic technology" on German lubricant sites but not here. So i asked "Susan" on the Havoline Technical questions chat line what the difference is between it and the "Synthetic Blend".... Added 5 min after above: I also left them a voice message with the same questions...
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