Oil for VW 1.8tsi

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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: SandCastle
Originally Posted By: edyvw
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1. Many carbon deposits are developing in car using dealership Castrol POS (5W40). If you planning to keep car, forget free changes and change oil yourself every 5K using M1 or Castrol 0W40 (both are top notch, question of personal preference)......


Based on Castrol's specs the 5W-40 used at the dealership appears to be as good as the 0W-40: Castrol

Are you saying the dealership is using a substandard blend of Castrol? Are there any specs available for this blend?

Castrol 5W40 does NOT meet MB 229.51. BIG difference from 0W40 that meets MB 229.51.
Castrol 5W40 is HC oil, probably really cheap base stock. 0W40 as far as I know is PAO.


The backside label for Castrol 0W-40 that is available on Amazon (Castrol 0W-40) does not list MB 229.51, just MB 229.5. Are you referring to a particular blend that is not available in the US?
 
Originally Posted By: SandCastle
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: SandCastle
Originally Posted By: edyvw
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1. Many carbon deposits are developing in car using dealership Castrol POS (5W40). If you planning to keep car, forget free changes and change oil yourself every 5K using M1 or Castrol 0W40 (both are top notch, question of personal preference)......


Based on Castrol's specs the 5W-40 used at the dealership appears to be as good as the 0W-40: Castrol

Are you saying the dealership is using a substandard blend of Castrol? Are there any specs available for this blend?

Castrol 5W40 does NOT meet MB 229.51. BIG difference from 0W40 that meets MB 229.51.
Castrol 5W40 is HC oil, probably really cheap base stock. 0W40 as far as I know is PAO.


The backside label for Castrol 0W-40 that is available on Amazon (Castrol 0W-40) does not list MB 229.51, just MB 229.5. Are you referring to a particular blend that is not available in the US?

Castrol 0W40 and Castrol 5W40 cannot meet MB 229.51. MB 229.51 is diesel spec, MB 229.5 is gasoline spec.
Castrol 0W40 meets MB 229.5, Castrol 5W40 meets MB 229.3.
Just MB 229.5?
I would say you are confusing between gasoline and diesel MB specs.
 
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Originally Posted By: BTLew81
Thanks. If I do go 504 (manual states it is fine), I'll go with 5k changes.

If you go with 504.00, I would do UOA.
 
Originally Posted By: BTLew81
I probably would. Though I've looked at 504 oils. TBN is lower but retention looks good.

Depends on sulfur in gas an fuel dilution. If you drive in the city a lot who knows.
If you lived in California I would say use it with no problems.
 
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: BobFout
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: BobFout
The owner's manual clearly allows 504.00 oils... at least for the 2.0T EA888 Gen 3.

Good. Use it and then do UOA.
My take: Do UOA at 3K first and see what to do after that.
I rented Passat 1.8TSI once for 7 days and on oil cap it clearly states VW 502.00!


Oil fill caps also said to use Castrol.
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What did the operator's manual say could be used? As far as I know, the Gen 3s are the first to allow 504.00 oils here.

I have been doing 5K mile ODIs anyways because of my severe-service conditions.

Very funny. Castrol on cap and VW 502.00 on cap are two different things.
Did you do UOA?


No UOAs. It's only got 8K miles on it. First change was at 5K miles.
 
Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
502 00 is still a relevant specification and as said, will have a higher TBN than a 504 oil.

For this application I would definitely go for a high TBN, lower Ash doesnt help with FSi deposits.

edy, why do you think Castrol 5W-40 causes deposits?





over 100,000 miles between intake valve cleanings on my BPY motor... I must be doing something right.

Which I use is high TBN oil with lower SAP's..... which is HDEO 5w40.
SHell Rotella T6 & Chevron Delo 400LE 5w40 are about 1.0
Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck is .9

Mobil 1 0w40 is on the higher side at 1.3
Castrol Edge Titanium 0w40 is on the lower side of Mobil 1 0w40, at 1.15
 
Originally Posted By: wemay
Mobil11 or Castrol Edge in 0W-40. Done.


Whats wrong with Penzoil Ultra?
 
Originally Posted By: edyvw
MB 229.51 is diesel spec, MB 229.5 is gasoline spec.


No they aren't. Take a look at Mercedes-Benz's own oil application list and you'll see both specs recommended for both types of engine across the world.

The "xxx.x1" designates a lower SAPS oil spec, which may be preferred in DPF-equipped engines in Europe, but the same oil is also suitable for gasoline oils. Equally, in a non-DPF diesel you can use 229.5. Unlike VW, MB don't differentiate between gasoline and diesel on passenger car specs.

Back to the OP, I would go with a 502 00 oil and change at the defined frequency.
 
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Originally Posted By: weasley
Originally Posted By: edyvw
MB 229.51 is diesel spec, MB 229.5 is gasoline spec.


No they aren't. Take a look at Mercedes-Benz's own oil application list and you'll see both specs recommended for both types of engine across the world.

The "xxx.x1" designates a lower SAPS oil spec, which may be preferred in DPF-equipped engines in Europe, but the same oil is also suitable for gasoline oils. Equally, in a non-DPF diesel you can use 229.5. Unlike VW, MB don't differentiate between gasoline and diesel on passenger car specs.

Back to the OP, I would go with a 502 00 oil and change at the defined frequency.


You are correct from European perspective, but Edy is located in the States. Their lousy petrol force them to use 229.5.

So from his angle, yes 229.51 is a "diesel spec".
 
Originally Posted By: Artemous
Originally Posted By: wemay
Mobil11 or Castrol Edge in 0W-40. Done.


Whats wrong with Penzoil Ultra?


Hard to find.
 
Another option is the amsoil 504 oil. Lower SA but still a TBN of 8.8, which is strong for a low saps oil, and not much below their full saps 0w40. May go that route.
 
Can you find an oil that meets 502 and 505.01? 505.01 had a lower SAPS content than 502 and 505 allowed. Typically 505.01 oil also meets 505 and 502.
 
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Can you find an oil that meets 502 and 505.01? 505.01 had a lower SAPS content than 502 and 505 allowed. Typically 505.01 oil also meets 505 and 502.


This has changed. 505 01 is a max of 0.8 Ash but 505 00 is now 10 TBN min (legacy formulations still exist with 505 00 and below 10 TBN)

502 is 7 TBN minimum.

In my view SAPs level is not related to the Valve deposits. Additive type, VM and Base oil viscosity/type are more important factors.

Anything with 504 will be good for valve deposits as they have been proven in the VW FSi test, however that's not to say other stuff isn't good / better. I have seen surprisingly good results on 0W-40s
 
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Originally Posted By: weasley
Originally Posted By: edyvw
MB 229.51 is diesel spec, MB 229.5 is gasoline spec.


No they aren't. Take a look at Mercedes-Benz's own oil application list and you'll see both specs recommended for both types of engine across the world.

The "xxx.x1" designates a lower SAPS oil spec, which may be preferred in DPF-equipped engines in Europe, but the same oil is also suitable for gasoline oils. Equally, in a non-DPF diesel you can use 229.5. Unlike VW, MB don't differentiate between gasoline and diesel on passenger car specs.

Back to the OP, I would go with a 502 00 oil and change at the defined frequency.

In EU VW 504.00/507.00 are also used in gasoline engines.
Problem is that in the U.S. MB and BMW specifically say that their "gasoline" specs must be used with gasoline engines, means MB 229.5 and BMW LL-01.
VW is bit confusing. Considering that VW/Audi delivered to the consumers some of the worst fuel dilution monsters in the last decade it could be just attempt to address deposit issues as well as fuel economy.
Considering VW/Audi honesty lately and care for consumers I would do UOA at 3K before using 504.00/507.00 for longer OCI.
I used M1 ESP in CC and Tiguan and did not proved long lasting (TBN). Maybe 3rd gen is better, but I would verify with UOA.
 
All good stuff. There are also some higher ten, fairly low saps oils out there. However, they don't have the vw seal of approval.
 
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