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Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
No one should be chastised for not carrying, but nor should anyone who chooses to not exercise that right chastise those that do. We live in a free country that allows us to defend ourselves and our loved ones against the assaults of deranged or desperate people that chose to act outside the laws of a civilized society. We should celebrate the face we have a choice.
Exactly. You don't worry about what I do, and I won't worry about what you do.
Robenstein made a good point and comment here. The issue, hatt, is that in a highly populated society where you have an element of highly irresponsible people, one cannot as easily overlook the ramifications of all decisions.
Im sorry, but just look at how people maintain their cars, how their skills are manifested in how many accidents they get into, what damage they do, etc. I dislike the arguments of cars vs guns for a variety of reasons, but point here is that there is a range that exists. Fact is that 100k guns are stolen each year. Yeah, some of that is just crime, but some of that is irresponsibility.
Remember the video up here a few yearsback with the guy from FL who was on youtube talking about CCW and showing just horrible firearm handling skills, drawing technique, etc.? There is a ton of that all over the net. Horrible lack of skill and capability in a stress-free situation. You really want fifteen of these folks spewing bullets from every direction at you and your kids when caught in a crossfire?
And that doesnt even get to the issue of crazies who get their hands on this stuff. And yes, the reach and number of engaged targets IS higher when firearms are used than when a car or knife or club is. So while I despize the fanaticism from stuff like Adam Lanza's shooting spree, the reality is that these things DO happen, and DO harm a LOT of people. So a free-for-all for everyone carrying, because of issues of human irresponsibility, mental condition, and human nature in general, is NOT necessarily in anyone's best interest.
But for responsible, trained, stable and functional individuals, the ability to carry and own whatever they want should not be limited by any Federal, state, or municipal entity. Problem is that with 300M+ people, that isnt a feat that one can easily tackle.
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
No one should be chastised for not carrying, but nor should anyone who chooses to not exercise that right chastise those that do. We live in a free country that allows us to defend ourselves and our loved ones against the assaults of deranged or desperate people that chose to act outside the laws of a civilized society. We should celebrate the face we have a choice.
Exactly. You don't worry about what I do, and I won't worry about what you do.
Robenstein made a good point and comment here. The issue, hatt, is that in a highly populated society where you have an element of highly irresponsible people, one cannot as easily overlook the ramifications of all decisions.
Im sorry, but just look at how people maintain their cars, how their skills are manifested in how many accidents they get into, what damage they do, etc. I dislike the arguments of cars vs guns for a variety of reasons, but point here is that there is a range that exists. Fact is that 100k guns are stolen each year. Yeah, some of that is just crime, but some of that is irresponsibility.
Remember the video up here a few yearsback with the guy from FL who was on youtube talking about CCW and showing just horrible firearm handling skills, drawing technique, etc.? There is a ton of that all over the net. Horrible lack of skill and capability in a stress-free situation. You really want fifteen of these folks spewing bullets from every direction at you and your kids when caught in a crossfire?
And that doesnt even get to the issue of crazies who get their hands on this stuff. And yes, the reach and number of engaged targets IS higher when firearms are used than when a car or knife or club is. So while I despize the fanaticism from stuff like Adam Lanza's shooting spree, the reality is that these things DO happen, and DO harm a LOT of people. So a free-for-all for everyone carrying, because of issues of human irresponsibility, mental condition, and human nature in general, is NOT necessarily in anyone's best interest.
But for responsible, trained, stable and functional individuals, the ability to carry and own whatever they want should not be limited by any Federal, state, or municipal entity. Problem is that with 300M+ people, that isnt a feat that one can easily tackle.