GM 1.4 Ecotec Failure

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I imagine the ECU codes and OLM state would help greatly here to explain the true cause. Seems like some other failure (coolant, fuel, cooling, etc) occurred which caused the oil to get this state in 13k. How could GM take the chance on substandard FF oil on this engine?

I though have experience with a from new GM purchase (from the old GM) with a steady history of premature failures.
 
Post hoc ergo propter hoc

It seems like there might be something else wrong with this engine. My aunt has this Ecotec and ran her second fill to around 12k with no problems
 
Guys,

My gut feeling is some other failure contributed to the oil breaking down like this, other than running slightly past the OLM interval. Is it coolant intrusion, substandard, non-spec oil used, oil consumption after the oil broke down, or a combination of factors? Or could this engine have 20000+ miles on the oil? Who knows for sure?

Otherwise, we would be hearing about many 2011-2012 Cruzes with the original long OLM calibrations doing this.

My 2013 does not use any oil between changes. None. On my last oil change I measured what I removed and I had 4.25 quarts which is what I put in. I guess the triple honing and diamond carbide rings really work wonders in oil control. (Who says GM can't build nice engines? ;))

If this engine had one change early in its life which was replaced with a non Dexos oil that was garbage then maybe that's all it took to get there. Maybe.

Looked at the pictures again this morning. Makes me want to change my 1500 mile M1. Lol.

I guess I'm just looking for an excuse to try the new GTL-based PP.
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Or maybe this thread has just made me paranoid.

Gary
 
My bet is this engine did not have an oil change in its life, and was hooned hard daily. There is one similar post on the Cruze forum I moderate. That engine went at 30k miles, though. It had a record of running over the OLM and changing with dino oil. With this engine, changing the oil every 7500 miles with full syn is pretty much a necessity.

My own 1.4T is spotless inside at 80k miles with 7-8000 mile OCI's on mostly QSUD 5w-30.
 
More thoughts on this: This engine is hard on oil. The factory fill semi-synthetic dexos1 5w-30 is toast by 5000-6000 miles. That oil can go 12-13k miles in a naturally aspirated engine.

Knowing that Aussies like to run thick oils, and that synthetic oil is pricey down under, my suspicion is that the owner ran a thicker than recommended conventional oil for the duration of the OLM. Based on the previous failure, this looks like it was more than 13,000 miles on dino oil. I'd guess 30-40k miles running dino oil for the duration of the OLM, if it was even changed.

This is pretty atypical for the 1.4T. Owner neglect is the root cause here, even if the engine in question is known to be hard on oil.
 
Originally Posted By: johnachak
Originally Posted By: NHGUY
I predict with all these EcoBoost....EcoTec...engines,there will be lots of turbo related failures coming up.You can only push an engine so hard to produce power before something gives.


Especially if you do not add to or change the oil. With all those Ecoboost engines in service, this obviously had something wrong big time. Look how burnt the oil is.


This is not an ecoboost engine. It is an ecotec engine from GM.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Yeah, I heard Fords Never break down! Brilliant.

We also know of a Cruze with some foibles, but they were minor baloney compared to this. In our friend's car the issues were compounded by poor stealership service.



I didn't say that, but now that you have I guess now i've heard it, thanks for that.
 
Surprised no one has come up with the obvious answer: this is clearly a result of too-frequent oil changes. You know, when fresh detergents battle with the deposited anti-wear layer. We've been warned before...
 
I have had a 2014 Cruze Eco 1.4 since November and change the factory oil at 2995 miles with Mobil One . At less than 2000 miles on the oil it definetly looks well used.. granted a lot of mornings this winter have seen temps between 10 and 25 below zero here in Michigan. That being said I can easily see this being the engine after 13000 miles. This engine as stated before appears to be hard on oils.
 
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: johnachak
Originally Posted By: NHGUY
I predict with all these EcoBoost....EcoTec...engines,there will be lots of turbo related failures coming up.You can only push an engine so hard to produce power before something gives.


Especially if you do not add to or change the oil. With all those Ecoboost engines in service, this obviously had something wrong big time. Look how burnt the oil is.


This is not an ecoboost engine. It is an ecotec engine from GM.


I was commenting on the quote I included not the original post. That is why I included it.
 
Originally Posted By: Black_Thunder
friend of mine has a cruze with the 1.4.


at 15 thousand miles the engine was leaking oil so bad they had to pull the motor out to fix the leak, he didn't say where it was from.



then three thousand miles or so later the water pump went out.



he also says when its really cold it barely throws any heat out.




I'll stick with my fords.


91 taurus: 2 transmissions 2 sets of front axles under 75,000 miles
01 Escort: 2 trans missions under 30,000
00 Escort: Waterpump, ECU shorted out twice, under 25,000
03 Mustang: Rear seal fixed 4 times, 2 plugs backed out of the head, 3 coils died under 37,000

Problems happen on all makes/models.
 
2000 Explorer- replaced thermostat under warranty. 124,000 miles and sold it because wife wanted a minivan. Much better car than any other I have ever owned.
 
Original reddit post: http://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/1xxh5m/gm_14_turbocharger_failure/

Just to clarify some things:

-Covered under warranty even though it was clearly owner's fault
-$2.5K ballpark repair cost
-13k miles on OD was likely over the 20 month life of the car, so what you see is the factory fill.

I don't think this engine is particularly hard on oil for a turbo, just that it was driven hard (according to the mechanic) and probably idled a lot as well in stop/go traffic over 20 months. Any engine would've suffered the same fate in these conditions with synth blend bulk factory fill oil.
 
I wonder how long it will be until manufacturers set up the computer to put the engine into "safe mode" or similar when the OLM reaches zero....and how many idiots will keep driving for a couple weeks....
 
Thanks for sharing the photos! My 2.4L Ecotec (11 Malibu) never was able to get over 5,500/6,000 miles on the OLM, so I can't imagine 13k on the 1.4L w/Turbo. Insane!

Read through all the replies here and on Reddit, and actually surprised at Reddit responses as people are generally well informed there (generally).

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t3itguy wrote:
Pennzoil is literally the worst oil. I can take any engine apart at 100,000 miles and tell you whether or not it's had Pennzoil in it. Granted, it's a fine race oil, in the case of run it for a race and then change it. I would never run it in a street vehicle, though.


Got a good chuckle from that.
 
Not unexpected, these little boosted engines are not as tolerant of abuse as large none boosted ones.

That's a cute little turbo too!
 
the engine pictures look alotlike my moms 2012 mazda 6. (design, not condition) christmas eve she was on her way to work early in the morning and drove through high water, inhaled enough water into #1 cyl to hydrolock it, bent and broke rod, piston cracked. when the rod broke, it flipped around and punched the oil pump off the bottom of the block and left some holes in the pan as well. amazingly the block was undamaged. we put in a new piston, rod and oil pump, new oil pump drive chain and a oil pan. motor had 17,000 miles on it, was on its 2nd oil change. (1st was factory fill, had mobil 1 in it and was due for a change when mom gave it a bath) motor was incredibly clean inside, as you would expect a year old engine to be with under 20K miles. its been back on the road again for almost 2 months now, noticed the skyativ logo on the trunk and want to put a sticker under it, so it will read "skyactive.....water, not so much" she still has issues with the trunck realease and fuel door cables not working until the car has ran for quite awhile, had a dehumidifier in the front seat and it worked well, could never tell it had 4" of water in the interior. bet mom never goes through standing water again. that gm engine looks like something i would expect of a 50,000 mile engine with a open thermostat and [censored] oil that was only changed every other year.
 
A turbo engine can simply not tolerate the abuse that happens in the real world. This engine was damaged by the owner, he deserves to pay for it big time.

But he didn't. Thus no lesson learned.

Modern turbos with proper maintenance can indeed live long lives...
 
I'm surprised they don't have some sort of oil quality monitor, if only so that the OEM would not have to pay out for such stupidity. My guess is real lubrication failures within warranty must be very rare.
 
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