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#822853 - 02/02/07 09:26 PM Re: AC Delco with Ecore [Re: dave1251]
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Registered: 07/15/05
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Loc: Maricopa, AZ
Another thing is I use an E-core filter on four differnt vehicals no issues. 4.8 2005 Chevy silverado, 4.0 Ford Explorer, 3.8 2000 Windstar, and 5.7 Dodge Ram. I use either Supertech or Value Parts. Whatever I can get cheaper. The OCI is up to 8,500 on the Silverado. About the same on the Windstar. Brother-in-laws van. About 5K for my Ram and the Wife's Explorer.
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#822854 - 02/02/07 09:30 PM Re: AC Delco with Ecore [Re: dave1251]
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KBFXDLI I apologize I miss read your thread.
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#822855 - 02/03/07 03:45 AM Re: AC Delco with Ecore [Re: dave1251]
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I thought that Napa Gold's where WIX filters?




When I was a Napa sales rep they were. It was 8 years ago I left but doubt that relationship has changed.
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#822856 - 02/03/07 04:58 AM Re: AC Delco with Ecore [Re: cmhj]
RedDart Offline


Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Maryland
NAPA Golds are made by Affinia (WIX) and are by all reports identical. As one of the Ecore objectors I do not have any empirical evidence that they are worse (or better) than the conventional oil filter design. I just think a well made conventional filter looks more robust. I also do not like that Champ Labs added that additional plate that evidently assists in threading the filter on. The holes in the add on plate do not line up with the holes in the filter end plate. What's up with that?

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#822857 - 02/03/07 06:04 AM Re: AC Delco with Ecore [Re: RedDart]
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Registered: 01/30/07
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Loc: Clovis, CA
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I also do not like that Champ Labs added that additional plate that evidently assists in threading the filter on. The holes in the add on plate do not line up with the holes in the filter end plate. What's up with that?




I think it has something to do with their combination oil bypass and ADBV; I'm not sure how it works though.

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#822858 - 02/03/07 07:56 PM Re: AC Delco with Ecore [Re: Merkava_4]
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Registered: 05/31/06
Posts: 1051
Loc: Northern California
From a FL-820S filter study I did Sept. 2006 In San Francisco area:

Champ Labs PH820 (Luberfiner)
www.champlabs.com/products/oilfilters.html www.servicechamp.com/prod_res_docs/Ecore%20Sales%20Sheet.pdf
($3each+$5 shipping on Amazon.com)

ECORE was a new construction technique which can be seen on their above website. They have a “patent” claimed on integrated bypass/ADBV on the base plate which is also shown. I have not seen a PH820 but I have seen a SuperTech and AC Delco versions. A Champ document claims the design is tested to 96/94% single/dual pass per SAE HS806(10-20um) / J1858(20um) using media 9668. www.servicechamp.com/prod_res_docs/Ecore%20FAQ's%20Sheet.pdf

AC Delco PF1250 ($3.50 Pepboys)
http://www.acdelco.com/parts/filters/oil-filters.htm

This was found to be a Champion Ecore design. The filter height was reduced by about 20%. It had a thin backplate and a second one added for easing blind installation. The bypass is in the base with black ADBV. The most unusual aspect is you see the pleats inside. A black plastic cage held them in place; maybe 90% open, unlike others using a perforated metal tube. See the diagram of Champ filter on their website above, item labeled “nylon core”. I have also seen a reference to a PF1250CL listed as “Classic Design”.

Champ Ecore
I believe, the jury is still out on this design. I have read about the media getting sucked into the outlet, in both cases 20W50 was being used on larger engines. The bottom line seems only down side to this design (relative to others in my application). Smaller can, not better filtering, and lack of flow rating don’t warm my heart.

Added comments;
I found filters based on this were the lowest cost, $1.47 at WM for my application. The FL-820S is $2.35 so this is a no brainer. Ecore is probably fine in 3000 mile OCI, maybe more, and if I was going into a 500-1000 OCI flush cycle (just by a case of 12 filters).

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#822859 - 02/04/07 05:29 AM Re: AC Delco with Ecore [Re: Merkava_4]
fillitup Offline


Registered: 12/15/06
Posts: 84
Loc: b.c. canada
I know a cartridge type filter is a little bit different setup compared to a spin on oil filter but the filters for all the ecotech engines are all made out of plastic[housing].I have used Luberfiner Ecores with no problems.My main concern with an oil filter is cold startup rattle and with Luberfiner I have had no problems.

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