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MB GLE 350 engine oil weight

Posted By: MaximaGuy

MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/10/18 09:21 PM

Folks:

For the vehicle in my signature, I am about to change oil and it calls for 229.5 speced MB fluids

Pennzoil Platinum has been my favorite for years and its comes in 5W30, though most MB owners I have spoken to use 0w40/5w40 M1

Let me know your thought
Posted By: nthach

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/10/18 09:29 PM

As long as it meets that particular Mercedes spec, I don't see a problem using it. There is Euro-spec PP but that's hard to find. If you're buying oil at Walmart, M1 0W-40 or Castrol Edge 5W-40/0W-40 are your best bets.

Mercedes is kinda weird - they recommend M1 for service fill, but they work with Shell for OEM-fill fluids.
Posted By: kschachn

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/10/18 10:06 PM

Grade and brand fade into irrelevance as long as it carries the approval.
Posted By: The Critic

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by MaximaGuy
Folks:

For the vehicle in my signature, I am about to change oil and it calls for 229.5 speced MB fluids

Pennzoil Platinum has been my favorite for years and its comes in 5W30, though most MB owners I have spoken to use 0w40/5w40 M1

Let me know your thought


Pennzoil Platinum 5W30 does not meet the required specs for your vehicle - you will need to use the Platinum Euro 5W-40.
Posted By: MaximaGuy

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 12:59 AM

This is what I saw in Walmart

https://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/prod..._SAE_5W-30_Fully_Synthetic_Motor_Oil.pdf
Posted By: zeng

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by MaximaGuy

This Euro L carries C3 and 229.51.
Go for it.
Posted By: MaximaGuy

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 01:32 AM

My intention is to stick with 30 weight since the engine is new - it may be a good idea when it goes into the 100K+ range to switch to 40 weight.
Posted By: Snagglefoot

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 01:54 AM

Here is the Euro L:

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Posted By: Wolf359

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by zeng
Originally Posted by MaximaGuy

This Euro L carries C3 and 229.51.
Go for it.


This is a common mistake. MB 229.5 and 229.51 are TWO different specs. They spec 229.5 for gas engines and 229.51 and 229.52 for diesel engines. Because they have a 10k oil change interval, you're better off with a 229.5 oil than a 229.51 oil although you can use a 229.51 oil in a car that calls for 229.5. It's been covered multiple times in past threads.

I believe Mobil is actually the OEM maker of oil for Mercedes. Shell makes a bunch of transmission fluids you can use such as 236.14 and 236.15.

Check out the list of approved MB 229.5 fluids. You will not find the 229.51 fluids on there.

https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/bevo-sheets-sort1.html
Posted By: Snagglefoot

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 08:28 AM

The OP wants to use a 5w30 oil. The Euro L, which is designed as a diesel motor oil, is also rated C3 which is fine for a gasoline engines He was also partial to Pennzoil products.

Is there a 5w30 229.5 product out there? I’ve seen 5w40 229.5 products but so far I haven’t see a 5w30 version. I certainly could be wrong about that. Please let me know. smile
Posted By: zeng

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Wolf359
This is a common mistake. MB 229.5 and 229.51 are TWO different specs. They spec 229.5 for gas engines and 229.51 and 229.52 for diesel engines. Because they have a 10k oil change interval, you're better off with a 229.5 oil than a 229.51 oil although you can use a 229.51 oil in a car that calls for 229.5. It's been covered multiple times in past threads.

I believe Mobil is actually the OEM maker of oil for Mercedes. Shell makes a bunch of transmission fluids you can use such as 236.14 and 236.15.

Check out the list of approved MB 229.5 fluids. You will not find the 229.51 fluids on there.

https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/bevo-sheets-sort1.html

Here is another common myth/mistake on this board.
A 229.5 is meant for a MB gasoline engines ONLY , and it's NOT for (light duty ) diesel engines (with modern emission systems) .
However, a 229.51 mid saps oils is always meant for a diesel engines, AND gasoline engines.
Posted By: Popsy

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 10:27 AM

I always thought the MB 229.5 was originally based on the ACEA A3/B4 specs, but actually it's only mandatory to pass the ACEA tests when the specs are claimed on the package, if I understand correctly.
I am yet to see a 229.5 that does not carry A3/B4, I guess when you reach 229.5 perfs, the ACEA comes for "free" !

There are some OM 646 and VW TDI tests for MB 229.5 though.

Ok, that is to say, to me pretty much all MB229.5 oils are also ok for light diesel use, and that's precisely what I use in my old old old diesel...simply because the Total 5W40 I use is cheap and carries it.
(but yes, contrary to the .51/52, if you have emission aftertratement devices, avoid 229.5 in your engine)

Also I thought Petronas was the current OEM for Mercedes (at least in Europe) ?
Posted By: Snagglefoot

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 11:19 AM

Here is the back panel of a bottle of Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40. One of the specs it meets is MB 229.5. In the white box it says “For diesel and gasoline engines”. It also says AECA A3/B4. Enjoy.

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Posted By: MaximaGuy

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 02:42 PM

The owners manual has either 229.5 or 229.6 for gasoline engines and 229.51 for diesel engines.
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by zeng
Originally Posted by Wolf359
This is a common mistake. MB 229.5 and 229.51 are TWO different specs. They spec 229.5 for gas engines and 229.51 and 229.52 for diesel engines. Because they have a 10k oil change interval, you're better off with a 229.5 oil than a 229.51 oil although you can use a 229.51 oil in a car that calls for 229.5. It's been covered multiple times in past threads.

I believe Mobil is actually the OEM maker of oil for Mercedes. Shell makes a bunch of transmission fluids you can use such as 236.14 and 236.15.

Check out the list of approved MB 229.5 fluids. You will not find the 229.51 fluids on there.

https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/bevo-sheets-sort1.html

Here is another common myth/mistake on this board.
A 229.5 is meant for a MB gasoline engines ONLY , and it's NOT for (light duty ) diesel engines (with modern emission systems) .
However, a 229.51 mid saps oils is always meant for a diesel engines, AND gasoline engines.


While that's somewhat true, if you take your car to an MB dealer, they will only put MB 229.5 oil into a gasser and MB 229.51 or 229.52 into a diesel. Yes, you can use 229.51 or 229.52 in a gasser, but it's not ideal. That's why MB specs 229.5 still for gassers. MB 229.51 or 229.52 doesn't supersede 229.5. Whereas you can use 229.52 where 229.51 is called for. If you have a choice of oils, just use 299.5 oils in a gasser, it's not making it better by using 229.51.
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
The OP wants to use a 5w30 oil. The Euro L, which is designed as a diesel motor oil, is also rated C3 which is fine for a gasoline engines He was also partial to Pennzoil products.

Is there a 5w30 229.5 product out there? I’ve seen 5w40 229.5 products but so far I haven’t see a 5w30 version. I certainly could be wrong about that. Please let me know. smile


You just look up the approved list to see if it's on there. There's a few on there:

https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.5_en.html
Posted By: loneryder

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 06:15 PM

229.5 is for gas engine and should be used with a fleece filter for the service reminder system. 229.51/52 is for diesels and their exhaust treatment systems. You can run a 229.51/52 oil in a gasser but your service reminder will not be accurate. Also if you run longer oci's on the 229.51/52 in a gasser you will experience sludging. MB actually experienced this and stopped using .51/52 in gassers.
For years the 3.5 engines came with and used 5w-40 syn oil. They only recently went to 5w-30 for CAFE reasons.
Use whatever 229.5 oil you want but I would stay away from .51/52 oils in your car.
Posted By: Snagglefoot

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 07:06 PM

Just to check. Who makes a 5w30 with a 229.5 certification?
Posted By: MaximaGuy

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/11/18 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Just to check. Who makes a 5w30 with a 229.5 certification?


Nobody though Pennzoil has a 5w30 certified fluid on the MB approved list.
Today I headed to Walmart looking for European formula (idiots in Europe have some stupid certifications that most Americans wouldn't even know about it, incl. me) engine oil.
The idiot in the oil section looks up his catalog (Castrol catalog) and told me any 5w30 would work. I left humbled that this guy in the oil section wasn't aware of American vs Euro certifications.

I am lost with these stupid Euro certifications.
Posted By: Garak

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/12/18 01:01 AM

Even the Benz manuals can be a little cryptic about these specifications. My goddaughter has a Benz and it doesn't say much of anything useful in the manual. So yes, I do feel for the parts guys, not to mention guys just going to the parts store who aren't members of a place like this.

At least the Castrol website itself should give proper information. Personally, the European certification aren't too bad once you get used to them, particularly the base ACEA specs themselves.
Posted By: loneryder

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/12/18 05:24 PM

Easiest thing to do is get some Mobil 1 or Valvoline Synpower 0-40 from Walmart. Both are certified and on the MB list. Easy to get at good prices.
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/12/18 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by loneryder
Easiest thing to do is get some Mobil 1 or Valvoline Synpower 0-40 from Walmart. Both are certified and on the MB list. Easy to get at good prices.


Many prefer Castrol 0w40 just because it has the BMW LL-01 where Mobil 1 doesn't. But it shouldn't really matter, they both have 229.5 certification.
Posted By: zeng

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/13/18 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Popsy
Also I thought Petronas was the current OEM for Mercedes (at least in Europe) ?

It used to be and it still is in Malaysia.
Posted By: zeng

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/13/18 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by loneryder
229.5 is for gas engine and should be used with a fleece filter for the service reminder system. 229.51/52 is for diesels and their exhaust treatment systems. You can run a 229.51/52 oil in a gasser but your service reminder will not be accurate. Also if you run longer oci's on the 229.51/52 in a gasser you will experience sludging. MB actually experienced this and stopped using .51/52 in gassers.
For years the 3.5 engines came with and used 5w-40 syn oil. They only recently went to 5w-30 for CAFE reasons.
Use whatever 229.5 oil you want but I would stay away from .51/52 oils in your car.


Not trying to argue with you, as I wasn't sure on why sludging being caused by use of 229.51 oils in MB gasoline engines calling for 229.5 when both the specs qualify under similar M 271 Sludge Test specifications ?

Would appreciate if you could provide links describing circumstances leading to stated sludging phenomenon.

There are MB gasoline engines allowing use of 229.5, 229.51 AND 229.52 (as opposed to OP's manuals ),in this regards would inaccuracy of service reminder arises and its mechanisms, other than differences in SaPS levels ?
Posted By: loneryder

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/13/18 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by zeng
Originally Posted by loneryder
229.5 is for gas engine and should be used with a fleece filter for the service reminder system. 229.51/52 is for diesels and their exhaust treatment systems. You can run a 229.51/52 oil in a gasser but your service reminder will not be accurate. Also if you run longer oci's on the 229.51/52 in a gasser you will experience sludging. MB actually experienced this and stopped using .51/52 in gassers.
For years the 3.5 engines came with and used 5w-40 syn oil. They only recently went to 5w-30 for CAFE reasons.
Use whatever 229.5 oil you want but I would stay away from .51/52 oils in your car.


Not trying to argue with you, as I wasn't sure on why sludging being caused by use of 229.51 oils in MB gasoline engines calling for 229.5 when both the specs qualify under similar M 271 Sludge Test specifications ?

Would appreciate if you could provide links describing circumstances leading to stated sludging phenomenon.

There are MB gasoline engines allowing use of 229.5, 229.51 AND 229.52 (as opposed to OP's manuals ),in this regards would inaccuracy of service reminder arises and its mechanisms, other than differences in SaPS levels ?


I don't have any technical links to provide. Basically a story from my Indy MB shop. The man's father spent a career with MB and was an investigator with them the last few yrs of his career, then started this shop 18 yrs ago. They follow MB's recommendations (except 10k oci) and use all MB parts. When the .51 low saps oils came out, dealers had a problem with putting the correct oil in the correct car. Since Mobil 1 said on the label that it could be used in gas engines, they started using the .51 oil in all cars. This Indy shop started seeing sludged engines coming in when the service reminder came on. They called Mobil oil who sent reps in to see them. They were very defensive of the oil. They told him they wanted him to come to HQ (in No. Va. at the time) and talk about it. Never happened. He felt that they were covering things up. After that visit, dealers were told to stop using .51 oil in the gassers. He knows that because the dealers told him. Some on here have said that it has something to do with the gasoline in N America. You can use .51 oil in gas engines. You just can't go 10k miles on it.
Posted By: MaximaGuy

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/13/18 05:22 PM

In my thought process only an idiot would use 229.xxxx to represent oil for gasoline and diesel engines.
We have so many digits in the freaking world why reference 229.xxx - say call it 2xxx for gasoline and some 5xxx for diesels.

As an anecdotal reference, my dad worked in electrical power plants and he told me one Siemens electrical equipment were by far the most complicated finicky engineering marvels. Unnecessary complication for nothing. So goes with 229.xxx nonsense.

I went ahead and ordered 0w40 M1 from Costco online and moved ahead.
Posted By: zeng

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/14/18 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by MaximaGuy
The owners manual has either 229.5 or 229.6 for gasoline engines and 229.51 for diesel engines.

OP, what's the recommended/typical OCI with/without service indicators in manuals ?
Posted By: MaximaGuy

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/14/18 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by zeng
Originally Posted by MaximaGuy
The owners manual has either 229.5 or 229.6 for gasoline engines and 229.51 for diesel engines.

OP, what's the recommended/typical OCI with/without service indicators in manuals ?


Unsure this is my first German vehicle and there has been a awful lot to learn. I believe it has an oil monitor and it should raise the flag for an oil change.
Though my preference would be 1 yr /10K OCI, rather I would run it for a full 10K without the year in consideration given it takes 7.4Q synthetic oil.
Posted By: pezzy669

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/14/18 02:54 PM

If MB hasn't changed their intervals with the newer cars it should still be 1 year/10k miles non-flexible service (they ditched FSS back in the mid-2000's). Makes it quite easy to remember. Assyst will constantly remind you if you exceed the 1 year though. If you scroll to Assyst under service settings in your MFD it will tell you either how many miles or days you have left to your next service, if it shows days it is currently projecting you won't hit the 10k before the year is up.

My '09 C300 was dealer serviced so received the "Genuine" Mercedes 5W40 whose bottle looked strangely like a Mobil bottle with MB stickers on it.

My '11 E350 ill prob use whatever is cheapest that has the MB229.5 cert. I hit the year mark with maybe 4500-5000 miles on the oil and like you said with a 7+ quart capacity I'm not too terribly concerned about the oil.

One cautionary tale I have stumbled on a few times (if you are planning your own oil changes) is to make sure you have the right oil filter if you buy somewhere other than the dealership. There are some stories floating around of people getting filters for an M272 which apparently will fit in the M276 housing but then starve the engine of oil. The one you want for your M276 has a 3-4 leg cage thing that extends below the filter which closes the anti-drainback valve, M272 filter does not have this so drain back valve is left wide open causing massive if not complete pressure loss.
Posted By: MaximaGuy

Re: MB GLE 350 engine oil weight - 10/14/18 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by pezzy669
One cautionary tale I have stumbled on a few times (if you are planning your own oil changes) is to make sure you have the right oil filter if you buy somewhere other than the dealership. There are some stories floating around of people getting filters for an M272 which apparently will fit in the M276 housing but then starve the engine of oil. The one you want for your M276 has a 3-4 leg cage thing that extends below the filter which closes the anti-drainback valve, M272 filter does not have this so drain back valve is left wide open causing massive if not complete pressure loss.


I got from RMEuropean the Mahle OX814D (Made in Bulgaria, BTW worked with Bulgarians before they are very bright folks) which is a fleece material filter for $14 rather than $24 from the MB parts store. They look identical from height and look though the OEM one was crisscrossed media meaning more media than the OX814D.
If my Lexus tiny paper media can survive for 10K OCI, the OX has plenty of media for a 10K OCI.
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