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Re: 0W16 instead of 0w20? [Re: Mter00s] #5388966 03/29/20 09:05 PM
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Can you order the Havoline Pro DS 0w20? That’s a great oil at a great price to boot. Order online and pickup in store or they might have it already.


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Re: 0W16 instead of 0w20? [Re: Mter00s] #5388993 03/29/20 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mter00s
... Maybe I'll just wait or get the 5w20
The 5W-20 will be just fine, especially with warmer weather arriving.


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Re: 0W16 instead of 0w20? [Re: AZjeff] #5389023 03/29/20 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AZjeff
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Unless Toyota has back specified it for that engine, I wouldn't. .


Why not? The car in question is a Honda Civic, who cares what Toyota thinks. smirk2

You got me there! In my defense I think of Honda and Toyota as interchangeable, low to medium cost, well engineered, highly reliable Japanese cars. And yes I've had both - several in fact. They're interchangeable, low to medium cost, well engineered, highly reliable Japanese cars.


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Re: 0W16 instead of 0w20? [Re: Mter00s] #5389090 03/30/20 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Mter00s
Thanks for the helpful responses guys.

I wanted to try it out because Wally didn't seem to have anymore 0w20 supertech in stock for in-store pickup(I'm a cheapie) but have some 0w16. And for only $14.88, figured why not right? Maybe I'll just wait or get the 5w20

Wait for Wally's to restock. Your vehicle will live a week or two longer without the new oil. Or, spend five dollars more on Magnatec or Quaker State.Ultimate.


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Re: 0W16 instead of 0w20? [Re: Mter00s] #5389216 03/30/20 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Mter00s
Thanks for the helpful responses guys.

I wanted to try it out because Wally didn't seem to have anymore 0w20 supertech in stock for in-store pickup(I'm a cheapie) but have some 0w16. And for only $14.88, figured why not right? Maybe I'll just wait or get the 5w20


You can use it. Just buy a qt of M1 0W40 FS and sub that in to the sump.

But that 1 qt may cost you 8 bucks!

What would you have that 0W16?


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Re: 0W16 instead of 0w20? [Re: Mter00s] #5389627 03/30/20 05:54 PM
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I'd personally rather a 0W16, which is nearly a monograde over an uber high VII 0W20, for reasons that I've explained previously.


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Re: 0W16 instead of 0w20? [Re: Mter00s] #5389628 03/30/20 05:55 PM
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BRZ is going to get neither...


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Re: 0W16 instead of 0w20? [Re: Shannow] #5389652 03/30/20 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Shannow
I'd personally rather a 0W16, which is nearly a monograde over an uber high VII 0W20, for reasons that I've explained previously.

SAE 0W-16 oils on the market are not necessarily monograde-like. Here is some data:

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Oil           HTHS    base-oil viscosity at 150 °C  VII content

M1 AFE 0W-16  2.3 cP  1.8 cP  3.9%
M1 AFE 0W-20  2.7 cP  2.0 cP  4.6%
M1 EP 0W-20   2.7 cP  2.1 cP  3.8%

PP 0W-16      2.3 cP  1.8 cP  3.3%
PP 0W-20      2.7 cP  2.0 cP  4.2%

TGMO 0W-20    2.6 cP  1.6 cP  8.7%

VAS 0W-16     2.35 cP 2.2 cP  0.64%
VAS 0W-20     2.66 cP 2.3 cP  2.1%

Estimated base-oil viscosity (BO DV150) and VII content of selected oils


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Re: 0W16 instead of 0w20? [Re: Mter00s] #5389741 03/30/20 09:09 PM
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I think you could safely run 0w-16 in this circumstance:
-Winter months where ambient temp is lower
-Only short trips (nothing longer than 30-45 min)
-Disciplined enough to keep revs under 3k

The KV100 of 0-16 is still within the 20 grade range, but as someone else has mentioned here, the HTHS is lower. That is the problem. In my perfect scenario above, you don't see the oil temps high enough to allow for bearing temps that would make HTHS viscosity relevant. If these are your driving habits to a T, give it a try next winter. Your MPG will improve, perhaps by an amount too small to notice. Personally, I usually drive for economy but don't shy away from higher revs to get the oil warm enough to burn off fuel/water. Therefore I couldn't run a 16 grade.

Re: 0W16 instead of 0w20? [Re: Mter00s] #5389744 03/30/20 09:16 PM
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You'll burn up your engine.


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Re: 0W16 instead of 0w20? [Re: Shannow] #5389746 03/30/20 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Shannow
I'd personally rather a 0W16, which is nearly a monograde over an uber high VII 0W20, for reasons that I've explained previously.


You’ll have to wait for 5w16, it’s a spec no one has used yet and as close as you’ll get in the next few years.

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Originally Posted by Rmay635703
Originally Posted by Shannow
I'd personally rather a 0W16, which is nearly a monograde over an uber high VII 0W20, for reasons that I've explained previously.
You’ll have to wait for 5w16, it’s a spec no one has used yet and as close as you’ll get in the next few years.

You will wait for a long time. 5W-16 is not an allowed viscosity in ILSAC GF-6B. Only 0W-16 is allowed. This is for fuel-economy reasons, as the idea of 0W-16 is to maximize the fuel economy, and lower-VI 5W-16, with little or no VII, will have inferior fuel economy, despite having better wear protection.

See page 135 in the official API document.

API 1509, Engine-Oil licensing and certification system, 18th edition, June 2019

However, API SP without ILSAC GF-6B (without Resource Conserving) allows 5W-16.


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Originally Posted by Gokhan
However, API SP without ILSAC GF-6B (without Resource Conserving) allows 5W-16.

Correction: You can have an API SP Resource Conserving 5W-16. However, ILSAC GF-6B doesn't allow SAE 5W-16 at all but allows SAE 0W-16 only, as I stated earlier.

To avoid confusion ILSAC GF-6B oils will have the SAE 0W-16 shield in contrast to the ILSAC-GF6A oils having the starburst. Oils that neither satisfy ILSAC GF-6A nor GF-6B will have neither the starburst nor the shield -- they will only have the donut, with or without Resource Conserving.

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Until API SN PLUS/ILSAC GF-5, all oils that were Resource Conserving also had the starburst. It looks like SAE 5W-16 will be the only exception now for having Resource Conserving but no API certification mark (like the shield and starburst). Therefore, I expect SAE 5W-16 will not be recommended by the OEMs and few oil blenders will make it if any.


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Re: 0W16 instead of 0w20? [Re: Mter00s] #5389827 03/31/20 12:01 AM
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as far as I know, we can have 5W20 dino and iirc, we can also have dino 0W20. If I EVER use x20, the last thing I would want it to be is dino at least based on my current knowledge and subject to change ... lol
I am not afraid of higher viscosity dinos.

Just curious, are there any dino 0W16? Is it chemically possible?

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Originally Posted by Rmay635703
Originally Posted by Shannow
I'd personally rather a 0W16, which is nearly a monograde over an uber high VII 0W20, for reasons that I've explained previously.


You’ll have to wait for 5w16, it’s a spec no one has used yet and as close as you’ll get in the next few years.

The Ravenol had a Harman Index of 100...


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