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My Top (3) GDI Oils #5384647 03/24/20 02:23 PM
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Sticking with 0w20:

Readily available:
1. Mobil 1 EP/AP 0w20 - majority PAO/AN - SA .8 - Noack 10%
2. Valvoline Modern Engine - Unknown base oil/SA- Noack 10% (likely low SA based on VOA)
3. Vavoline Full Syn - Unknown base oil - SA .97 - Noack 7.6%


Boutique:
Driven DI 0w20 - mPAO - SA .72 - Noack 11%


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5384681 03/24/20 03:09 PM
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My top GDI~GDI-T oil in 5W30 is TOTAL QUARTZ INEO C3 5W-30.


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5384699 03/24/20 03:36 PM
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Is C3 a mid-SAP oil?


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5384702 03/24/20 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by buster
Is C3 a mid-SAP oil?


According to the PDS of the oil, it's a low-SAPS oil


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5384712 03/24/20 03:50 PM
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Is there any objective, recent documentation for the majority PAO claims on the M1?
I just bought 12 quarts of their esp 5W30 and think it's probably 90+% group lll.

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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: BurntMusic] #5384718 03/24/20 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BurntMusic
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Is C3 a mid-SAP oil?


According to the PDS of the oil, it's a low-SAPS oil



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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: sloinker] #5384719 03/24/20 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sloinker
Is there any objective, recent documentation for the majority PAO claims on the M1?
I just bought 12 quarts of their esp 5W30 and think it's probably 90+% group lll.


MSDS for the last several years has shown M1 0w20 EP & AP are 70% PAO.


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5384725 03/24/20 04:04 PM
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I will take a look.


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5384729 03/24/20 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by buster
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Is C3 a mid-SAP oil?
According to the PDS of the oil, it's a low-SAPS oil



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No, the terms low-SAPS (SA ≤ 0.5%) and mid-SAPS (SA ≤ 0.8%) are often used incorrectly in the industry. C3 is a mid-SAPS category, and the SA for C3 is between 0.6% and 0,8%. Otherwise, it would have to be C4 (low-SAPS, SA ≤ 0.5%) or both C3 and C4 at the same time. However, according to the PDS, it isn't. Therefore, it's mid-SAPS, with 0.6% ≤ SA ≤ 0.8%.


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The M1 AFE 0W-20 is currently half-PAO-based (with some AN) and the M1 EP 0W-20 is currently fully PAO-based (with some AN). For GDI/TGDI engines, go with the M1 EP 0W-20, not with the M1 AFE 0W-20, because the former (EP) has not only a higher-quality base oil but also a higher antioxidant content (for extended performance (longer oil life)), both of which are necessary for reducing the IVD.

The M1 AP 0W-20 is very similar to the M1 EP 0W-20 and possibly even a better choice, but it's a lot more expensive.


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: buster] #5384737 03/24/20 04:19 PM
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Thanks Gokhan.


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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: Gokhan] #5384738 03/24/20 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Gokhan
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Originally Posted by buster
Is C3 a mid-SAP oil?
According to the PDS of the oil, it's a low-SAPS oil



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No, the terms low-SAPS (SA ≤ 0.5%) and mid-SAPS (SA ≤ 0.8%) are often used incorrectly in the industry. C3 is a mid-SAPS category, and the SA for C3 is between 0.6% and 0,8%. Otherwise, it would have to be C4 (low-SAPS, SA ≤ 0.5%) or both C3 and C4 at the same time. However, according to the PDS, it isn't. Therefore, it's mid-SAPS, with 0.6% ≤ SA ≤ 0.8%.


So would that be considered then a low amount for a mid-SAPS oil?


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Originally Posted by buster
Sticking with 0w20:

Readily available:
1. Mobil 1 EP/AP 0w20 - majority PAO/AN - SA .8 - Noack 10%
2. Valvoline Modern Engine - Unknown base oil/SA- Noack 10% (likely low SA based on VOA)
3. Vavoline Full Syn - Unknown base oil - SA .97 - Noack 7.6%


Boutique:
Driven DI 0w20 - mPAO - SA .72 - Noack 11%


Valvoline 0w20 noak is 11%, the 5w20 is 7.6

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Re: My Top (3) GDI Oils [Re: Gokhan] #5384742 03/24/20 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gokhan
The M1 AFE 0W-20 is currently half-PAO-based (with some AN) and the M1 EP 0W-20 is currently fully PAO-based (with some AN). For GDI/TGDI engines, go with the M1 EP 0W-20, not with the M1 AFE 0W-20, because the former (EP) has not only a higher-quality base oil but also a higher antioxidant content (for extended performance (longer oil life)), both of which are necessary for reducing the IVD.

The M1 AP 0W-20 is very similar to the M1 EP 0W-20 and possibly even a better choice, but it's a lot more expensive.


How about the 5W30 ESP?


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Originally Posted by buster
Sticking with 0w20:

Readily available:
1. Mobil 1 EP/AP 0w20 - majority PAO/AN - SA .8 - Noack 10%
2. Valvoline Modern Engine - Unknown base oil/SA- Noack 10% (likely low SA based on VOA)
3. Vavoline Full Syn - Unknown base oil - SA .97 - Noack 7.6%


Boutique:
Driven DI 0w20 - mPAO - SA .72 - Noack 11%

Both Valvolines have unknowns, as-does the 5w30 Ultra Platinum I'm currently using.
I will await the SP GF6 / Gen 3 oils coming out, before purchasing any more oils.


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