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Re: Volvo dealer cautions against ATF change. Ever. [Re: Silvertone2000] #5245633 10/21/19 06:05 AM
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Watch from 11 minute, of course lifetime fluid is a scam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdF5DnGwz7E

Re: Volvo dealer cautions against ATF change. Ever. [Re: Silvertone2000] #5245745 10/21/19 08:22 AM
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I have an AW AW71-SC in my Volvo which Volvo recommends the fluid is fit of life. I changed it out at 20k with a universal ATF. Factory ATF was still bright red and clean.


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Re: Volvo dealer cautions against ATF change. Ever. [Re: Silvertone2000] #5246320 10/21/19 05:38 PM
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I have AISIN A750F on my FJ Cruiser and I change every 30000 with AISIN AFW+ synthetic oil, I do a complete flush with machine. I have an oil cooler and Magnefine inline filter as well.

Re: Volvo dealer cautions against ATF change. Ever. [Re: RoyFJ] #5246454 10/21/19 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RoyFJ
I have AISIN A750F on my FJ Cruiser and I change every 30000 with AISIN AFW+ synthetic oil, I do a complete flush with machine. I have an oil cooler and Magnefine inline filter as well.

I looked up AFW+, it’s a little thicker than WS, but if Aisin recommends it for WS applications I’m sure it’ll work no problem, they made the A750 after all....

Re: Volvo dealer cautions against ATF change. Ever. [Re: Silvertone2000] #5246551 10/21/19 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Silvertone2000
...Something about the transmission adjusting to the changing viscosity of the fluid...



Most transmissions work on specific pressures at specific points in the transmission, plus or minus a few percentage points, so I call this misinformation.

Depending on how the vehicle has been driven, in my experience most FF fluids are looking pretty bad by 35k, i.e., the fluid is black, oxidized, increased in viscosity by 3-5 cSt points, with a lot of solid, particulate matter.

Find a good local mechanic who has the correct tooling to do a proper fluid and or filter job.


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Re: Volvo dealer cautions against ATF change. Ever. [Re: MolaKule] #5246615 10/21/19 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MolaKule
Originally Posted by Silvertone2000
...Something about the transmission adjusting to the changing viscosity of the fluid...



Most transmissions work on specific pressures at specific points in the transmission, plus or minus a few percentage points, so I call this misinformation.

Depending on how the vehicle has been driven, in my experience most FF fluids are looking pretty bad by 35k, i.e., the fluid is black, oxidized, increased in viscosity by 3-5 cSt points, with a lot of solid, particulate matter.

Find a good local mechanic who has the correct tooling to do a proper fluid and or filter job.


Boom. The voice of reasons and experience.

Fluids are not going to last forever, and random babble 2nd hand from dealer monkeys does not constitute articles of faith.

Re: Volvo dealer cautions against ATF change. Ever. [Re: Silvertone2000] #5246631 10/22/19 12:21 AM
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Your transmission will fail eventually no matter how well you maintain it, but by not changing the fluid you guarantee an earlier death. Find a maintenance schedule and stick to it. Be it yearly drain and fills or cooler line flushes.

Re: Volvo dealer cautions against ATF change. Ever. [Re: Jetsfan421] #5246693 10/22/19 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetsfan421
Your transmission will fail eventually no matter how well you maintain it, but by not changing the fluid you guarantee an earlier death. Find a maintenance schedule and stick to it. Be it yearly drain and fills or cooler line flushes.


True but if your maintaining the fluid, it may not fail while you own it.

Re: Volvo dealer cautions against ATF change. Ever. [Re: Oro_O] #5246705 10/22/19 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Oro_O
Originally Posted by MolaKule
Originally Posted by Silvertone2000
...Something about the transmission adjusting to the changing viscosity of the fluid...



Most transmissions work on specific pressures at specific points in the transmission, plus or minus a few percentage points, so I call this misinformation.

Depending on how the vehicle has been driven, in my experience most FF fluids are looking pretty bad by 35k, i.e., the fluid is black, oxidized, increased in viscosity by 3-5 cSt points, with a lot of solid, particulate matter.

Find a good local mechanic who has the correct tooling to do a proper fluid and or filter job.


Boom. The voice of reasons and experience.

Fluids are not going to last forever, and random babble 2nd hand from dealer monkeys does not constitute articles of faith.


An anecdotal reports on this site some how do? There are plenty of people who perform a change on units with over 50k miles miles where the fluid looked fine. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of transmission will go over 100k miles without a fluid change. That has been proven over the last 10-15 yrs.


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Re: Volvo dealer cautions against ATF change. Ever. [Re: Oro_O] #5246707 10/22/19 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Oro_O
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Originally Posted by Silvertone2000
...Something about the transmission adjusting to the changing viscosity of the fluid...



Most transmissions work on specific pressures at specific points in the transmission, plus or minus a few percentage points, so I call this misinformation.

Depending on how the vehicle has been driven, in my experience most FF fluids are looking pretty bad by 35k, i.e., the fluid is black, oxidized, increased in viscosity by 3-5 cSt points, with a lot of solid, particulate matter.

Find a good local mechanic who has the correct tooling to do a proper fluid and or filter job.


Boom. The voice of reasons and experience.

Fluids are not going to last forever, and random babble 2nd hand from dealer monkeys does not constitute articles of faith.



I have yet to see any modern slushbox that does not regulate the pressure carefully according to defined limits. Old fluid will indeed accelerate wear.

And I would be extremely unlikely to ask any stealership monkey about maintenance. The schedule and exact procedures required are right in the owner's manual...


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Re: Volvo dealer cautions against ATF change. Ever. [Re: BlakeB] #5247322 10/22/19 04:25 PM
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I have AISIN A750F on my FJ Cruiser and I change every 30000 with AISIN AFW+ synthetic oil, I do a complete flush with machine. I have an oil cooler and Magnefine inline filter as well.

I looked up AFW+, it’s a little thicker than WS, but if Aisin recommends it for WS applications I’m sure it’ll work no problem, they made the A750 after all....


Yes its thicker than WS ATF but its been tested and used extensively in Russia under low temps and folks have had good results with no degradation of any kind. Being synthetic it has better cold weather range. The shift feel after changing to it from WS ATF on my transmission is a big improvement especially when the transmission is being pushed in stop and go traffic or hills under hot sun. Incidentally Aisin recommends change every 20,000 with their fluid. https://aisin.ae/upload/lpic/lpic_5.pdf

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I have AISIN A750F on my FJ Cruiser and I change every 30000 with AISIN AFW+ synthetic oil, I do a complete flush with machine. I have an oil cooler and Magnefine inline filter as well.

I looked up AFW+, it’s a little thicker than WS, but if Aisin recommends it for WS applications I’m sure it’ll work no problem, they made the A750 after all....


Yes its thicker than WS ATF but its been tested and used extensively in Russia under low temps and folks have had good results with no degradation of any kind. Being synthetic it has better cold weather range. The shift feel after changing to it from WS ATF on my transmission is a big improvement especially when the transmission is being pushed in stop and go traffic or hills under hot sun. Incidentally Aisin recommends change every 20,000 with their fluid. https://aisin.ae/upload/lpic/lpic_5.pdf

I know someone that uses Mobil 1 Full Synthetic ATF in his A750 on a Tacoma and he says it shifts better on it than it does with WS. It’s not recommended for WS applications but these transmissions aren’t very picky about fluid types(about anything Dex/Merc seems to work), imo. I’ve been using Maxlife ATF in a Tacoma and a 4Runner with good results, I’ll likely stay with it for the foreseeable future. A lot of Dexron VI ATFs are recommended for or suitable for WS applications, so I may try one of them one sometime and see how they do in place of WS.

Re: Volvo dealer cautions against ATF change. Ever. [Re: Silvertone2000] #5247503 10/22/19 07:07 PM
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I use Amsoil blue cap in my 15 Tacoma that requires WS. The same fluid will be used in my wife’s 19 Pilot that requires DW1. Ran Valvoline Maxlife in her 08 CRV that required DW1 with 180K without issue.


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Re: Volvo dealer cautions against ATF change. Ever. [Re: Silvertone2000] #5247767 10/23/19 06:20 AM
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I've owned 3 high mileage gen1 s60s. All have benefited, even from the first gear flare in one of them, by moving to amsoil and installing an inline filter. In the one with a moderate flare, the it essentially went away after about 25,000 miles.


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Re: Volvo dealer cautions against ATF change. Ever. [Re: MolaKule] #5247988 10/23/19 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MolaKule
Originally Posted by Silvertone2000
...Something about the transmission adjusting to the changing viscosity of the fluid...



Most transmissions work on specific pressures at specific points in the transmission, plus or minus a few percentage points, so I call this misinformation.

Depending on how the vehicle has been driven, in my experience most FF fluids are looking pretty bad by 35k, i.e., the fluid is black, oxidized, increased in viscosity by 3-5 cSt points, with a lot of solid, particulate matter.

Find a good local mechanic who has the correct tooling to do a proper fluid and or filter job.

It is absolutely awful how fluid looked in my 2015 Sienna when I drained it few weeks ago at 63k.
I did same in my 2013 BMW, and it was still red at 65k.


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11' VW Tiguan 2.0T (Castrol 0W40+MANN filter)
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