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2010 F-150 5.4 3V- Issues imminent? #5064089 04/04/19 11:50 AM
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Purchased this truck back in December and overall really like it. However, shortly after taking ownership; I've noticed some odd noises coming from the engine bay. The first is a cold start tick that has a similar sound to a dry start, lasts a second or two. I am running a motorcraft filter and swapped it with another; noise still there.

Second noise i've noticed is a "hot idle knock" after I start the truck when i've been running it for a bit. The noise subsides after a few minutes or so. Also in general, the idle of the truck isn't very "smooth". I can feel vibration through the steering wheel pretty much anytime it's idling.

From what i've read, many people point to the cam phasers. The fix is all over the map though, from phasers to a new motor. I tried 0w40 based on the potential issue of not enough oil pressure; no change. Does anyone have experience with these? Do you think more serious issues are imminent? The truck runs fine and seems to have ample power. Sitting at 100K right now and thankfully I do have a warranty up until 121K.


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Re: 2010 F-150 5.4 3V- Issues imminent? [Re: panthermike] #5064107 04/04/19 12:11 PM
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Check your hot oil pressure. It needs a minimum of 25-30 psi to operate the cam timing. The issue is likely the phasers however depending on how extended the tensioners are will determine if you need a chain kit with the guides, sprockets and new tensioners. I suspect the seals on the tensioner(s) are worn and it takes a few seconds to build oil pressure in them to quiet the engine down. It’s really not a bad job. It will require removal of the timing cover and valve covers.

Your cold start tick (which I assume goes away when warm) is likely an exhaust manifold. Not a fun job.

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Re: 2010 F-150 5.4 3V- Issues imminent? [Re: panthermike] #5064160 04/04/19 12:54 PM
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Put some thicker oil in it at least 5 w 30, 10 w 30 would be better. grin2


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Re: 2010 F-150 5.4 3V- Issues imminent? [Re: mattd] #5064179 04/04/19 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mattd
Check your hot oil pressure. It needs a minimum of 25-30 psi to operate the cam timing. The issue is likely the phasers however depending on how extended the tensioners are will determine if you need a chain kit with the guides, sprockets and new tensioners. I suspect the seals on the tensioner(s) are worn and it takes a few seconds to build oil pressure in them to quiet the engine down. It’s really not a bad job. It will require removal of the timing cover and valve covers.

Your cold start tick (which I assume goes away when warm) is likely an exhaust manifold. Not a fun job.


I may just take it in since it's under warranty if that's the possible culprit!

andyd, it has 0w40 in it now smile


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Re: 2010 F-150 5.4 3V- Issues imminent? [Re: panthermike] #5064241 04/04/19 02:07 PM
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Matt, would the cold start tick go away so quickly with an exhaust leak?


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Re: 2010 F-150 5.4 3V- Issues imminent? [Re: panthermike] #5064243 04/04/19 02:09 PM
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How long does the tick last for? Manifold ticks will usually clear up in a few minutes or so depending how big the leak is. If it lasts only a few seconds it’s not an exhaust manifold. Probably related to the chain rattle on start up if it coincides with that

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Re: 2010 F-150 5.4 3V- Issues imminent? [Re: andyd] #5064274 04/04/19 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by andyd
Put some thicker oil in it at least 5 w 30, 10 w 30 would be better. grin2

10w-40 is Fords recommendation for noisy cam phasers [what ever Ford calls them}


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Re: 2010 F-150 5.4 3V- Issues imminent? [Re: panthermike] #5064295 04/04/19 03:18 PM
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I'd twist their arm to get your spark plugs changed too. You will not believe what a nightmare that can be. Change them fairly often, or you might not get them back out.


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Re: 2010 F-150 5.4 3V- Issues imminent? [Re: DoubleWasp] #5064335 04/04/19 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
I'd twist their arm to get your spark plugs changed too. You will not believe what a nightmare that can be. Change them fairly often, or you might not get them back out.


The 2009-10 5.4's have revised plugs/heads. No problems with the new design.





It sounds like your timing chain is loose. The tensioners are plastic with a captured O-Ring. This seal tends to blow out, leaking pressure.

The real fix is to replace everything from the oil pump, to the timing chain/tensioners/actuators to the phasers with 100% Ford parts and get another 100K from it. Don't bother with aftermarket phasers they don't hold up. The Melling high volume oil pump is excellent.

It's good to note that the OEM oil pump tends to leak oil from the backing plate and the leaky chain tensioners reduce oil flow to the heads even more. Unfortunately, some owners find a wiped out camshaft, due to lack of oil at the head.

10W-40 is the dealership fix. The real fix is mechanical.

In my case, I'm currently using 10W-30 M1 high mileage. It's reduced the cam phaser noise (which has been there since new) and so on. But it has not reduced the initial start roughness that is due to loose chains due to faulty tensioners.


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Re: 2010 F-150 5.4 3V- Issues imminent? [Re: mattd] #5064350 04/04/19 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mattd
How long does the tick last for? Manifold ticks will usually clear up in a few minutes or so depending how big the leak is. If it lasts only a few seconds it’s not an exhaust manifold. Probably related to the chain rattle on start up if it coincides with that



Only 1-2 seconds, so I guess that would be timing chain.

Doublewasp, actually changed the plugs when i got the truck. Wasn't a bad job at all with the revised heads/plugs.

Sounds like I should take advantage of the warranty and bring it to Ford. The only difference is I will supply the Melling high volume pump. Thanks for all of the feedback, had a feeling it wouldn't be easy!


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Re: 2010 F-150 5.4 3V- Issues imminent? [Re: panthermike] #5064724 04/05/19 12:24 AM
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Goos to know they actually did something about that fiasco. Sounds like the phaser and pump issues made it through the cracks.


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Re: 2010 F-150 5.4 3V- Issues imminent? [Re: panthermike] #5177310 08/02/19 08:48 AM
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Well it happened...something anyways. On my way to work on Wednesday, suddenly a loud ticking/tapping sound accompanied with a loss of power and detonation on the highway. Took it to Ford the same day, still waiting on some news. Will post an update


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Re: 2010 F-150 5.4 3V- Issues imminent? [Re: panthermike] #5179397 08/05/19 08:43 AM
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Just wondering, what kind of warranty do you have on a almost 10 year old vehicle? Hope you get it sorted.


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Re: 2010 F-150 5.4 3V- Issues imminent? [Re: Hootbro] #5179495 08/05/19 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Hootbro
Just wondering, what kind of warranty do you have on a almost 10 year old vehicle? Hope you get it sorted.


It's a drivetrain only warranty; covers all lubricated parts and any motor/trans/driveline parts.


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Originally Posted by panthermike
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Just wondering, what kind of warranty do you have on a almost 10 year old vehicle? Hope you get it sorted.


It's a drivetrain only warranty; covers all lubricated parts and any motor/trans/driveline parts.


If it is a third party warranty, just be careful as they may want to sub aftermarket parts for repair and not pay for OEM parts.


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