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Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: LoneRanger] #5127071 06/06/19 01:13 PM
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oilpsi2high, I only need 2WD I don't do off-roading and if winter weather is really bad I stay home until the roads are cleared. I grew up on pick 'em up trucks, definitely aware of their light rear ends when not loaded. And those were 1976 Chevy 3/4 ton Cheyenne as one of my college beaters in the early 80's, an old F150, and the last p/u I had was a 1994 Dodge Dakota short box standard cab sport with limited slip diff and the 5.2L "magnum" V8 (i.e. the old chrysler 318 c.i. v8 tweaked w/ port injection). But it was a lot of motor for that small truck ... well a lot of torque anyhow. After 12 yrs of use I handed it down to my son as his first car in high school. He lost control of it twice and wrecked into stuff off side of the road by doing what a teenage boy gonna do w/ a V8 and limited slip diff.

benjy: I might need to consider Nissan, although I think while they make a quality product that's well engineered, their styling doesn't do anything for me. And I actually mean that more for their cars and suv's than their trucks, but their full size truck I have to say I think the front end grille and fascia is unattractive, especially the weird vertical arrangement of the LED daytime running lights.

ls1mike: Thanks for the updated info on the LGZ version of the GM 3.6, sounds like a solid engine.



I really want to stay away from the whole big truck mania thing that has taken over the market lately. Just need something mid size to aid in maintaining an 1800 sq ft subdivision house that's in good repair, hauling landscaping materials from time to time, the occasional major appliance, etc. Whatever I choose to get will lead an easy life as a truck's life goes.




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'19 GMC Terrain 1.5 turbo GDI I4...........(GM 0W20 dexos2)
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Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: LoneRanger] #5127081 06/06/19 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneRanger

I really want to stay away from the whole big truck mania thing that has taken over the market lately. Just need something mid size to aid in maintaining an 1800 sq ft subdivision house that's in good repair, hauling landscaping materials from time to time, the occasional major appliance, etc. Whatever I choose to get will lead an easy life as a truck's life goes.


I don't blame you. I will tell you my 02 3/4 ton looks small compared to most of the current offerings.

The transmission issue is real. Not everyone has it but it would certainly be something to look into.


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Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: LoneRanger] #5127092 06/06/19 01:32 PM
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If you look at the overall dimensions, you'll see that fullsize trucks haven't really grown as much as you think.

They just LOOK bigger due to exterior design.


Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: LoneRanger] #5127106 06/06/19 01:44 PM
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What's amazing is I'm seeing LT trim level Colorado's in 4x4 crew cab that aren't my target but they look "normal" with normal alloy wheel rims and chrome grille trim, etc, and they're advertised for around $29K. Now take the exact same driveline, motor, cab and box size but "murder it out" with black wheel rims and blacked out grille trims so they look more like the ever popular full size bro-dozer's you see everywhere, and same dealer has those advertised at $38K or so. $9K more for the blacked-out bad boy look. Crazy. crzy



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Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: LoneRanger] #5127115 06/06/19 01:50 PM
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I've got 3 pickups, all Chevy, '97 C2500HD M5, '05 Colorado I5 M5, '13 K1500 Z71 A6. Absolutely love the bigger trucks, not a big fan of the Colorado by any stretch of the imagination. I echo the observation you have to rev it to 4k RPMs before it will get out of it's own way. Non-turbo dual overhead cam, VVT low torque engine seems mismatched to a truck. The newer 3.6 may be better, but I'm guessing not by much.

From my experience with an older model, and from what oilpsi2hi said in his post, I'd rent or get one as a loaner to drive for a few days. If you still like it, buy it. If you find you can't stand driving it, look at other options.

I did look at trading in my '13, but can't stand the looks or size of the new full size trucks, so I feel your pain there.

Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: userfriendly] #5127174 06/06/19 02:59 PM
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Unsolvable transmission problem? First get rid of the water thin Dexox VI and go from there.



This makes no sense. Really.


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Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: LoneRanger] #5127250 06/06/19 04:22 PM
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How many of you who are criticizing the new Colorado/Canyon have ever driven one or own one? I have put over 40,000 miles on my 2017 Canyon 3.6 2WD Crew Cab and love it. Anyone who says the 3.6 is anemic hasn't spent any time with it. Is it a torque monster? No. But it is very sprightly in a mid-size truck. 0-60 times are in the six second range. And I get an average of 25-26 mpg when not towing. I don't tow anything heavy, nothing over 3.000 pounds. If I planned on towing 6 or 7,000 pounds I would have bought a Silverado/Sierra. If you want torque and plan to tow heavy loads with the Colorado/Canyon get the baby Duramax.

I did have the torque converter shudder but the recent TSB changing the ATF to the black label Mobil 1 LV fluid has solved the problem.

As far as the timing chain problems with the earlier 3.6, this engine has been redesigned with fewer and shorter timing chains. I am confident that with 5,000 mile oil changes that timing chain wear will not be a problem. This engine also has a built in oil separator similar to a catch can to prevent PCV fumes from building up residue on the back of the valves that other DI engines have problems with. It appears GM learned their lessons from earlier engines when designing this LGX/LGZ engine: "Camshaft drive: all-new, with a simpler design featuring two chains and six sprockets vs. the previous three chains and nine sprockets, with lower chain loads, which enhances durability. ".
http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/lgx/

The truck rides and handles better than the Tacoma or Frontier. I haven't driven the Ranger but test reports don't give it good marks for ride quality.

The size of this truck is just what I wanted. It fits in my garage and is easier to park than the overgrown full size trucks of today. I parked my truck next to a 1998 F150 and they are roughly the same size. The brodozers being made today are much bigger and most people who drive them never use or need the capacity of such a large truck.

Granted that with the deep discounts offered on the full size trucks, pound for pound they are a better value than the midsize trucks. But I am very happy with my choice.

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Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: LoneRanger] #5127435 06/06/19 08:46 PM
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jhs914; Good post. Yes the 16 and newer 3.6 is a completely different engine. The easiest way to awaken a Canyon/Colorado would be a simple engine/transmission swap with an ATS-V.

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Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: LoneRanger] #5127437 06/06/19 08:49 PM
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The thing is I tow 4500-5000lbs all summer long, and don't think the Colorado would be up to the task in the mountains here. You need torque to yank things up hills, and the 3.6 sucks for torque. What the truck actually puts down to the tires is even worse.

The Duramax is OK, but it has 180 crank HP. There are times when I need to pass people going 40 in a 55, and I don't think a pickup truck that goes 0-60 in almost 10 seconds is going to cut it. It's honestly a terrible truck to drive anywhere but in stop and go traffic.

I drove both and found the V6 severely underpowered below 4000 RPMs. If you hold it wide open and let the motor rev out, it goes along good, but who wants to do that?
The diesel got off the line OK, but died out around 20 MPH. Towing I guess it would be OK, but unladen felt like driving a 3 cylinder Ford Fiesta.

V6 was 38k, diesel was 48k (ZR2). No rebates or price haggling (this was when the ZR2 just came out.) Both trucks sold within two weeks, and I can only assume whoever bought them paid full price.

I really want to like these trucks, but GM needs to put some serious muscle under the hood in order to get me to buy one. They're taking a step in the right direction by offering the 6.2L in the Silverado lower trims (LT, etc.)


Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: oilpsi2high] #5127446 06/06/19 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by oilpsi2high
The thing is I tow 4500-5000lbs all summer long, and don't think the Colorado would be up to the task in the mountains here. You need torque to yank things up hills, and the 3.6 sucks for torque. What the truck actually puts down to the tires is even worse.

The Duramax is OK, but it has 180 crank HP. There are times when I need to pass people going 40 in a 55, and I don't think a pickup truck that goes 0-60 in almost 10 seconds is going to cut it. It's honestly a terrible truck to drive anywhere but in stop and go traffic.

I drove both and found the V6 severely underpowered below 4000 RPMs. If you hold it wide open and let the motor rev out, it goes along good, but who wants to do that?
The diesel got off the line OK, but died out around 20 MPH. Towing I guess it would be OK, but unladen felt like driving a 3 cylinder Ford Fiesta.

V6 was 38k, diesel was 48k (ZR2). No rebates or price haggling (this was when the ZR2 just came out.) Both trucks sold within two weeks, and I can only assume whoever bought them paid full price.

I really want to like these trucks, but GM needs to put some serious muscle under the hood in order to get me to buy one. They're taking a step in the right direction by offering the 6.2L in the Silverado lower trims (LT, etc.)


How much quicker is the 6.2 compared to the 5.3 regarding towing? The difference was not much in the last generation of GM trucks if the same transmission was used.


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Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: LoneRanger] #5127448 06/06/19 09:08 PM
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420 HP / 460 TQ vs 355 HP and 382 TQ. Both at 5600/4100 RPM.

6.2 also has forged crank. 10 speed auto vs the trash 8 speed.

What's interesting is they recommend premium for the 6.2, where the 5.3 it says unleaded or E85.


Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: oilpsi2high] #5127462 06/06/19 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by oilpsi2high
420 HP / 460 TQ vs 355 HP and 382 TQ. Both at 5600/4100 RPM.

6.2 also has forged crank. 10 speed auto vs the trash 8 speed.

What's interesting is they recommend premium for the 6.2, where the 5.3 it says unleaded or E85.



Your giving specs not actual performance side by side regarding towing and hauling. If memory serves me the difference was not much.


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Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: LoneRanger] #5127471 06/06/19 09:43 PM
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Not much?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v88oDYk0hxY

The 6.2 WALKED the 5.3 in the drag race.

Same deal towing. It also got slightly better MPG.

IMO it's the best $ 2,500 you can spend.


Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: dave1251] #5127501 06/06/19 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dave1251
How much quicker is the 6.2 compared to the 5.3 regarding towing? The difference was not much in the last generation of GM trucks if the same transmission was used.


The ONLY way to really know is to delete the Torque Management out of both trucks & see which one performs better. Assuming the transmission doesn't get hurt in the process.

My money is on the 6.2L! My old 2008 L92 made 450 rear wheel torque at 2500 RPM with a custom camshaft that should have raised the peak torque to a higher RPM.


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Re: 2019 Chevrolet Colorado w/ 3.6L GDI V6 + 8-Speed Trans Any Good? [Re: dave1251] #5127687 06/07/19 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by userfriendly

Unsolvable transmission problem? First get rid of the water thin Dexox VI and go from there.

This makes no sense. Really.

If its under warranty, the dealer and GM are eating all the diag and fluid costs.
But at the end, the problem was on my friend with the $ loss.
And GM lost a customer for life.


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