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Re: I heard a lot but never used any engine additives for protection and some fuel s [Re: Anton_N] #5188613 08/16/19 09:31 AM
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So, I didn’t give up… and I learn what a lot of manufactures for engine additives do not want to tell ingredients they use for, they are saying this is a secret, and they can not share because of competitive. Same time they keep saying what their product unique, and much more what they never prove.
But if their product has a patent, they can share more information, more detail, not very deep, but even little more detail about what they use.
After my research I have left only two, who share the product details, what they use and how and why it will work with technical and exclamational details. They are open to public what additives included carbon fulleroid nanoparticles.
You can google a lot of information from about benefits of carbon fulleroid nanoparticles in additives for reduction of the friction losses and increase of the wear resistance
I decide to trust this information from different scientist.
Those two company is Tribotex and ArmActiv.
First is US product, second from Russia, what interesting Russian company using the patent issued in USA. Bot product use carbon fulleroid nanoparticles. Both companies claiming very interesting results.
And if first it is from scantiest from university, second from Russian scientist who first have made huge progress in nuclear research, they have always been in the forefront of scientific discoveries, and a lot of their scientists work in USA laboratories ...

Wil check more information for these 2 products. If I decide to try, I will share …

Re: I heard a lot but never used any engine additives for protection and some fuel s [Re: Anton_N] #5188702 08/16/19 11:38 AM
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The internet is full of information that will confirm anyone’s thoughts. Blueberries help prevent cancer? Sure, there are lots of articles on the Internet. Blueberries cause cancer? You will find those as well.


It’s called confirmation bias.


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Re: I heard a lot but never used any engine additives for protection and some fuel s [Re: PimTac] #5188770 08/16/19 01:04 PM
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I agree. In the end, and from a performance standpoint it is entirely irrelevant what is in the additive and it makes zero difference if the company discloses the composition or not. It also doesn't matter if it is from Russia, the US or Lichtenstein. It also doesn't matter if it has nano particles or macro ones, or if they are fullerenes (hey we made those in the lab I worked at back in the early '90s) or bucky onions.

What actually does matter is the results of standardized tests that prove it does something statistically significant, repeatable, and worthwhile to the purchaser. Once those tests are published by the manufacturer of the additive I'm all ears. Until then it is just more unsubstantiated yapping.


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Re: I heard a lot but never used any engine additives for protection and some fuel s [Re: kschachn] #5188803 08/16/19 01:36 PM
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I caught that subtle reference to Buckminster Fuller


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Re: I heard a lot but never used any engine additives for protection and some fuel s [Re: Anton_N] #5188840 08/16/19 02:30 PM
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Now even serious organization have all information available on internet. I read topics from universities and institutions. What do you thinkcan we trust Shell or Mobil?

Re: I heard a lot but never used any engine additives for protection and some fuel s [Re: Anton_N] #5188843 08/16/19 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Anton_N
Now even serious organization have all information available on internet. I read topics from universities and institutions. What do you thinkcan we trust Shell or Mobil?

Funny and completely untrue. What company divulges proprietary trade secrets?

What they may divulge is performance test results. Again for these additives, where are those? Shell and ExxonMobil divulge performance results all the time. I know which ones meet API SN or have Porsche A40 approval for example. I know which ones are fuel-saving formulas. Which 3rd party additives publish test results to prove their claims?

Your post is only more irrelevant obfuscation and diversion.


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Re: I heard a lot but never used any engine additives for protection and some fuel s [Re: Anton_N] #5189005 08/16/19 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Anton_N
What do you thinkcan we trust Shell or Mobil?

Look at it this way. What do you think any automaker that relies on CAFE credits (they all do) would do and/or say if all the oil companies were intentionally withholding an almost free ingredient that would automatically give you 10-20% better fuel economy?


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: I heard a lot but never used any engine additives for protection and some fuel s [Re: Anton_N] #5189984 08/17/19 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Anton_N
I read topics from universities and institutions...



Can you provide us a list of those Universities, papers and authors? Maybe we can help you understand some of those papers.

Last edited by MolaKule; 08/18/19 02:56 PM.

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