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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5125412
06/04/19 09:14 PM
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I am starting to think the previous owner is being dishonest about something. I called him and asked him if he poured additive in the oil and he paused and said, "I don't think so"... What kind of answer is that? Either you did or you didn't.

I now suspect that he poured bar's leak liquid copper in the engine! Again, this is speculation but I did find a very minor leak coming from the back of the engine. I think he somehow mistaken the liquid copper as a stop leak for engine. I think he realized his mistake and off loaded the car for cheap, thinking that might save him from liability if the buyer (me) did find out about it.

https://barsleaks.com/product/liquid-copper-block-seal-intake-radiator-stop-leak/

I might try to get in contact with bars leak and send them a sample to see if it's indeed their product. I'm willing to pay them for the test.

The new question is, if it's liquid copper, how did the engine take it? Damaged for sure? Maybe?

Yes, I might have to sue him in small claims court.

Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5125419
06/04/19 09:21 PM
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Sheesh. That would be beyond stupid.

Only one was to find out, IMO. Do two short OCIs with two UOAs and see if whatever shows up trends down.

If it is Bar's, it should plummet in consecutive UOAs.


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5125420
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If you have access to a microscope, you should look at the particles with it. With enough magnification, you might be able to see the shapes well enough to see if they looked jagged and torn apart (bearings) or smooth (possibly copper antisieze).

Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5125424
06/04/19 09:26 PM
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Yep. Definitely will be doing short OCI and getting UOAs

Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5125425
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Originally Posted by TimeRS4
I am starting to think the previous owner is being dishonest about something. I called him and asked him if he poured additive in the oil and he paused and said, "I don't think so"... What kind of answer is that? Either you did or you didn't.

I now suspect that he poured bar's leak liquid copper in the engine! Again, this is speculation but I did find a very minor leak coming from the back of the engine. I think he somehow mistaken the liquid copper as a stop leak for engine. I think he realized his mistake and off loaded the car for cheap, thinking that might save him from liability if the buyer (me) did find out about it.

https://barsleaks.com/product/liquid-copper-block-seal-intake-radiator-stop-leak/

I might try to get in contact with bars leak and send them a sample to see if it's indeed their product. I'm willing to pay them for the test.

The new question is, if it's liquid copper, how did the engine take it? Damaged for sure? Maybe?

Yes, I might have to sue him in small claims court.


Unless the seller offered a written guarantee of serviceability of that high mileage used vehicle, in most states that sale is going to be considered a "as is" transaction. Small claims court is not going to do squat for you unless the seller wants to get diarrhea of the mouth and admit to anything.


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5125435
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That's something really crappy not to disclose. But you're right, might not have recourse on this situation.

Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5125484
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If you think its BARS then I would do a few short OCI.. like REALLY short. 15mins short. Get a few jugs up supertech and really cheap filters. Run it up to temp and then quicky dump it to get everything out while it's still suspended in the oil.
Then after a few of those flushes run a short 1500 OCI and get a UOA.


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5125486
06/04/19 11:02 PM
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Not sure if anyone asked,but did you see if you could feel it between your fingers?


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: CrAlt] #5125487
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Originally Posted by CrAlt
If you think its BARS then I would do a few short OCI.. like REALLY short. 15mins short. Get a few jugs up supertech and really cheap filters. Run it up to temp and then quicky dump it to get everything out while it's still suspended in the oil.
Then after a few of those flushes run a short 1500 OCI and get a UOA.


This.


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5125521
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You might be surprised. I've seen small claims court take a very dim view on selling defective products in a private sale.


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5125561
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Man, I was thinking "that looks just like what Barrs Leak calls copper" You would think the oil filter would catch it right?


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5125636
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Is it possible the pump wasn't picking them up since they're 'heavier'?

Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5125646
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If he has had the car a while “I don’t think so” might not be an unreasonable answer to “did you use any additives” if he took the question to mean “ever”... He may not be certain.

At any rate, agree with advice to do several very short changes with very inexpensive oil and see how it works out.

The fact that none of this is in the oil filter would suggest to me that it either never made it to the filter or is so fine that the filter can’t retain it. Either would suggest damage is unlikely.

If it is in fact radiator sealant, the carrier is water soluble and it might just sit in the presence of oil. If you were so inclined you could test it by putting some of the bars leak in a jar with oil.

Last edited by DuckRyder; 06/05/19 07:33 AM.

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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5126128
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Those pictures look terrible.

Run thicker oil, and change it at 1000 miles next time, to see if you see any more of that stuff. If not, then consider it a fluke, but I would still keep the change interval at 3K miles for that engine for the foreseeable future.

And yeah, that;s a good possibility that someone ran some kind of additive in that engine. If he did dump some block sealant in, time to offload that car, quick!


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5126234
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What If OP idled the engine for 20 mins using LM Engine Flush with the cheapest SAE30 he could find?

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