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Re: Bypass filter on ford ecoboost engines [Re: kehyler] #5094150 05/02/19 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by kehyler
Can someone help me understand whether or not a bypass filter makes economic sense in my use case (outlined above)?

No, what is there you that aren't understanding? look at this video as an aid to decide.link to help you decide.

Re: Bypass filter on ford ecoboost engines [Re: CT8] #5094163 05/02/19 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by kehyler
Can someone help me understand whether or not a bypass filter makes economic sense in my use case (outlined above)?

No, what is there you that aren't understanding? look at this video as an aid to decide.link to help you decide.


I'm not understanding how to estimate the net cost of using a BP filter system in my application.

Re: Bypass filter on ford ecoboost engines [Re: kehyler] #5094947 05/03/19 03:43 PM
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With the potential fuel dilution a Bypass filter is a waste of $$$$$$. Put one on and see what benefits you will receive.

Re: Bypass filter on ford ecoboost engines [Re: CT8] #5095773 05/04/19 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CT8
With the potential fuel dilution a Bypass filter is a waste of $$$$$$. Put one on and see what benefits you will receive.


I guess I'm not 100% sure that the 2.7 ecoboost has a fuel dilution issue, maybe this particular ecoboost doesn't?

Re: Bypass filter on ford ecoboost engines [Re: kehyler] #5097173 05/06/19 07:42 AM
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There is no traditional media (cellulose, syn, or a combo) that is capable of separating fuel from other petroleum products.
IOW - a filter cannot distinguish the difference between gas and oil, hence it cannot separate gas from oil.
No - a BP filter won't help remove fuel dilution.


As for the ROI topic, a BP filter won't help there if the limit of 10k miles is the established constraint. Generally BP filtration cannot affect the wear rates enough in lower mileage OCIs, and therefore they never pay for themselves. You have to get out well past 15k miles before a BP even has a hope of paying for itself. In fact, there's no data I'm aware of that truly establishes the payback point in terms of a ROI that is, as a whole, consumable for all situations.

BP filtration, first and foremost, is a tool to extend the OCIs. It's a fiscal savings tool to reduce the number of oil changes. It is not a tool to alter wear; that's a VERY common misunderstanding and misinterpretation of several filter "studies". Any engine (or tranny, diff, etc) will have a wear rate of "x", "y", or "z" for each metal. As long as your wear rates are low, the oil is acceptable for continued use. There are condemnation limits for total magnitudes established by several leading diesel companies, but none that I've seen for gas engines. And, wear rates are never discussed by those same companies.

It is impossible for a BP filter system to pay for itself in 10k mile OCIs on a small sump system such as most any typical car/truck.


The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: Bypass filter on ford ecoboost engines [Re: kehyler] #5107247 05/16/19 09:45 PM
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when you say you have a bypass filter. that doesnt tell me much. if you filter filters down to 2-3 microns. you should get 300,000 to 400,000 miles from your engine

Re: Bypass filter on ford ecoboost engines [Re: red7404] #5110860 05/21/19 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by red7404
when you say you have a bypass filter. that doesnt tell me much. if you filter filters down to 2-3 microns. you should get 300,000 to 400,000 miles from your engine


That's a dubious claim.
There are many, many examples of high mileage vehicles that never had BP filters, never had syn fluids. They just had reasonable OFCI durations and normal products.

My 2005 Grand Marquis 4.6L has 260k miles on it; turns in great UOAs and still runs as strong as our 2007 Grand Marquis that has 1/2 the miles on it. Both get 10k mile OFCIs with normal FF filters and house-brand conventional lubes.

Here's a Chevy truck; had 1M miles on it:
https://www.knfilters.com/million/default.htm
Million miles on an old 350 chevy motor; just routine oil/filter changes. Ironic that he sees value in a reusable air filter to save money, but never occurred to him to use BP filtration for the lube (another great savings tool). As I recall, his OFCI plan was every 4k miles. No BP filter; no syn fluids.

Here's a Ford truck that went THREE MILLION MILES
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...3259FEA528923CC055153259FE&FORM=VIRE
This is a very good testimonial to just keeping a good pm routine going.
I was curious about this truck, and so I called that Palm City service center and spoke to the manager a few years back. Here's the story on the truck:
- truck went 100k miles on the OEM 5.4L engine and it died. Due to the nature of the truck's use (on road delivery of race track dogs), he could not afford downtime, so they sourced a used 5.4L from a junkyard and sent him on his way.
- the second engine (first replacement) went 1M miles approximately, then it died. It was replaced with another salvage yard 5.4L
- the third engine (second replacement) went a bit over 1M miles, then it died. Was replaced with yet another junk yard 5.4L
- the forth engine (third replacement) went about 1M miles, and then the truck was totaled in a wreck. (the owner bought a used Ford diesel truck subsequently)
So ....
first engine died after 100k miles
2nd, 3rd, 4th all went a million miles EACH.
What does the service center use to service that truck? Havoline 10w-40 dino oil and jobber oil filters. Nothing special; nothing extreme. No BP filter; no syn fluids. BP filtration is a great tool, but it does NOT assure longevity as an exclusive means to an end. You can get really good service life from equipment if you just change oil/filter routinely. You're correct that someone should be able to get 300k or 400k from an engine. But that has NOTHING to do with BP filtration. BP filtration is a tool to keep the oil cleaner for a longer period of time. That is a fiscal savings tool. A clean sump is going to help equipment last a long time. How you achieve that clean sump is up to you. There are two roads to that same destination; you can either filter contamination out, or flush it out. Either way you end up with a clean sump.

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The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: Bypass filter on ford ecoboost engines [Re: dnewton3] #5111096 05/21/19 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dnewton3
Originally Posted by red7404
when you say you have a bypass filter. that doesnt tell me much. if you filter filters down to 2-3 microns. you should get 300,000 to 400,000 miles from your engine


That's a dubious claim.
There are many, many examples of high mileage vehicles that never had BP filters, never had syn fluids. They just had reasonable OFCI durations and normal products.

My 2005 Grand Marquis 4.6L has 260k miles on it; turns in great UOAs and still runs as strong as our 2007 Grand Marquis that has 1/2 the miles on it. Both get 10k mile OFCIs with normal FF filters and house-brand conventional lubes.

Here's a Chevy truck; had 1M miles on it:
https://www.knfilters.com/million/default.htm
Million miles on an old 350 chevy motor; just routine oil/filter changes. Ironic that he sees value in a reusable air filter to save money, but never occurred to him to use BP filtration for the lube (another great savings tool). As I recall, his OFCI plan was every 4k miles. No BP filter; no syn fluids.

Here's a Ford truck that went THREE MILLION MILES
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...3259FEA528923CC055153259FE&FORM=VIRE
This is a very good testimonial to just keeping a good pm routine going.
I was curious about this truck, and so I called that Palm City service center and spoke to the manager a few years back. Here's the story on the truck:
- truck went 100k miles on the OEM 5.4L engine and it died. Due to the nature of the truck's use (on road delivery of race track dogs), he could not afford downtime, so they sourced a used 5.4L from a junkyard and sent him on his way.
- the second engine (first replacement) went 1M miles approximately, then it died. It was replaced with another salvage yard 5.4L
- the third engine (second replacement) went a bit over 1M miles, then it died. Was replaced with yet another junk yard 5.4L
- the forth engine (third replacement) went about 1M miles, and then the truck was totaled in a wreck. (the owner bought a used Ford diesel truck subsequently)
So ....
first engine died after 100k miles
2nd, 3rd, 4th all went a million miles EACH.
What does the service center use to service that truck? Havoline 10w-40 dino oil and jobber oil filters. Nothing special; nothing extreme. No BP filter; no syn fluids. BP filtration is a great tool, but it does NOT assure longevity as an exclusive means to an end. You can get really good service life from equipment if you just change oil/filter routinely. You're correct that someone should be able to get 300k or 400k from an engine. But that has NOTHING to do with BP filtration. BP filtration is a tool to keep the oil cleaner for a longer period of time. That is a fiscal savings tool. A clean sump is going to help equipment last a long time. How you achieve that clean sump is up to you. There are two roads to that same destination; you can either filter contamination out, or flush it out. Either way you end up with a clean sump.

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Engine sucks in air, air is filled with very fine dirt, dirt gets into oil, and wears engine. That is what the bypass filter filters out, very fine dirt that wears engines. Now so many environmental issues at play in those situations you mention that you can not know, like a defective air filter letting in dirt or an engine with parts having manufacturing defects.

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