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Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: KoolG6] #5107651
05/17/19 12:15 PM
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Looking into the B1 seems the high end Mobil 1 oils meet B1 Dexos gen 2, sn plus etc regular Edge doesn't meet B1.

Think I might try to grab some Mobil 1 annual protection or something on sale and see what happens!

Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #5107663
05/17/19 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson

Don't believe all the oil industry hype you hear they just pushed the LSPI problem right back in the customers lap. That's a lot cheaper than a real fix and retrofit that they really need to be required to do.

Since the problem got pushed into the customer's lap, he's supposed to do nothing while he waits for his manufacturer to give him a new engine out of the blue??
It's not hard to buy SN+, d1G2, and/or -B1 oil.
My car was recalled for LSPI, that issue is not just in the realm of theory for me. Some people got new engines...some people had the electrodes on their plugs nearly worn away...I paid for new plugs (zero labor) since mine only looked "OK" to the mechanic, I still have them and they sure don't look great. Interestingly enough, some folks got a good carbon cleaning on the dealer's dime, which probably was pointing out another issue with this DIT engine. I had already been using M1 5W30 for a while due to LSPI concerns and was feeling pretty good about finding out about that issue online well before the recall.


2014 Forester XT, 100000 miles
Last Change;
M1 10W30 HM SN+
Tokyo Roki 15208AA170 filter
Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: KoolG6] #5107665
05/17/19 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KoolG6
Looking into the B1 seems the high end Mobil 1 oils meet B1 Dexos gen 2, sn plus etc regular Edge doesn't meet B1.

Think I might try to grab some Mobil 1 annual protection or something on sale and see what happens!


Vanilla Mobil1 meets the B1 spec - see PDS

Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: KoolG6] #5108019
05/17/19 08:37 PM
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I’d probably run QSUD 5w30 in it because it’s less than $20 per 5qts at Meijer or Walmart and meets the Ford spec.

Its a Ford, it will live a long life on any oil meeting the spec. You’ll be ready to junk it before a oil related failure happens


2008 Silverado Z71 LT 96k Maxlife FS 5w30
2010 Ford Escape 192k QSUD 5w20
2016 Yamaha XSR900 13k, Spectro 10w40, Yamaha Filter.
Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: KoolG6] #5108140
05/17/19 11:39 PM
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I have the same engine in my Focus ST. I just used SuperTech Synthetic 5W-30 which is Dexos Gen2. Changing it slightly early because of potential fuel dilution and my worries about carbon build-up. I'm doing 5000-6000 miles changes with the stock Ford filter. I drive long enough intervals that the thing gets warmed up routinely.

I'm also running water-meth because I'm paranoid about valves, detonation and LSPI. Clean engine, low temps, etc....etc... = happy engine.

Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: KevinP] #5108592
05/18/19 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KevinP
I have the same engine in my Focus ST. I just used SuperTech Synthetic 5W-30 which is Dexos Gen2. Changing it slightly early because of potential fuel dilution and my worries about carbon build-up. I'm doing 5000-6000 miles changes with the stock Ford filter. I drive long enough intervals that the thing gets warmed up routinely.

I'm also running water-meth because I'm paranoid about valves, detonation and LSPI. Clean engine, low temps, etc....etc... = happy engine.


I will eventually get a fully programmed in, 4 port auxiliary fuel injection system added to mine as well, for the same reasons, even if I NEVER go to a hybrid turbo (factory frame size turbo, but bigger wheels internally, for those who don't know what this is)/big turbo setup for much more power!


2016 Ford Fiesta ST 17K miles
Ravenol REP 5W-30
Fram XG3600 filter
Ravenol MTF-2 in the IB6 transaxle
Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: KevinP] #5109026
05/19/19 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by KevinP
I have the same engine in my Focus ST. I just used SuperTech Synthetic 5W-30 which is Dexos Gen2. Changing it slightly early because of potential fuel dilution and my worries about carbon build-up. I'm doing 5000-6000 miles changes with the stock Ford filter. I drive long enough intervals that the thing gets warmed up routinely.

I'm also running water-meth because I'm paranoid about valves, detonation and LSPI. Clean engine, low temps, etc....etc... = happy engine.

Where on the label does Supertech mention itself as a deposits fighter?
I'll save you a trip looking...... it doesn't.
This is not an oil I would recommend for TGDI/GDI engines.


19 Hyundai SantaFe 2.4GDI Castrol Edge 5w30 / NAPA Mann-Hummel filter / 6oz Liqui-Moly Treatment
04 Colorado 3.5 Castrol Edge 0W40 Euro & K&N filter
03 Malibu 3.1 QS / Valv Syn 5w30 mix Fram EG filter
Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: KoolG6] #5109043
05/19/19 06:52 AM
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It says on the bottle SN+ and Dexos1 Gen2. That says a lot more than a blanket statement of "deposit fighter".


2005 Ranger 3.0 - SuperTech Syn 5w-30/Motorcraft
2000 4Runner 3.4 - SuperTech Syn 5w-30/Toyota
1997 B2500 Van 3.9 - M1 HM 10w-30/Mopar
1993 F150 4.9 - SuperTech Syn 5w-30/Motorcraft
Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: ka9mnx] #5109058
05/19/19 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ka9mnx
It says on the bottle SN+ and Dexos1 Gen2. That says a lot more than a blanket statement of "deposit fighter".

Wrong!
If the product doesn't advertise deposit-buildup-fighter, then it likely doesn't fight at all.
All the name brands advertise it. But Supertech/Warren doesn't. Never buy a product that doesn't advertise cleaning/removing/minimizing something harmful, that must stay 100% workable-clean.

That symbol on the bottle doesn't keep deposits from forming .... from increased buildup. Don't be so naive. Read/follow the label-wordings. Not symbols that are so generic and weak-in-relation. These days, Joe-Blow Oil Co can get cert-symbols. Joe Blow is not responsible for things he doesn't advertise in cleaning ability.

So obviously, the oil wording, not the cert, is doing and responsible for, all the cleaning work with GDIs.



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19 Hyundai SantaFe 2.4GDI Castrol Edge 5w30 / NAPA Mann-Hummel filter / 6oz Liqui-Moly Treatment
04 Colorado 3.5 Castrol Edge 0W40 Euro & K&N filter
03 Malibu 3.1 QS / Valv Syn 5w30 mix Fram EG filter
Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: KoolG6] #5109066
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What are you smoking?


2005 Ranger 3.0 - SuperTech Syn 5w-30/Motorcraft
2000 4Runner 3.4 - SuperTech Syn 5w-30/Toyota
1997 B2500 Van 3.9 - M1 HM 10w-30/Mopar
1993 F150 4.9 - SuperTech Syn 5w-30/Motorcraft
Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: ka9mnx] #5109095
05/19/19 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ka9mnx
It says on the bottle SN+ and Dexos1 Gen2. That says a lot more than a blanket statement of "deposit fighter".


I was also under the impression that meeting d1g2 insured that the product was tested for LSPI prevention in today's smaller turbo engines......


'Journalism is Dead'
Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: pbm] #5109111
05/19/19 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by pbm
Originally Posted by ka9mnx
It says on the bottle SN+ and Dexos1 Gen2. That says a lot more than a blanket statement of "deposit fighter".


I was also under the impression that meeting d1g2 insured that the product was tested for LSPI prevention in today's smaller turbo engines......



Lets put this in a different weigh & measure category.
There are 200 kids graduating from high school and each passes - gets their certification / diploma. Some are maximum-smart and some minimum-smart.
Are you going to buy / hire the minimum-smart guy on resume/interview (C-average) to manage your store, or the maximum-smart (A-average)? Both have identical certs for past education.

If you are using the Supertech report card, then you must have graduated with C's, not A's. You are obviously not interested in buying the better product, as advertised on the label for cleaning power. You prefer to buy the window cleaner that does not advertise or profess a clean window after application.

To each his own. Buy the less expensive, less advertised-to-work C Grade. Hope you enjoy it.
Done here. Actually done forever on this subject. I don't care if you like the subpar oils. But if you say (in the future here) that Supertech mirros Pennzoil in cleaning power, then you cheated in high school to get that C-Grade. You deserved an F-Grade.

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19 Hyundai SantaFe 2.4GDI Castrol Edge 5w30 / NAPA Mann-Hummel filter / 6oz Liqui-Moly Treatment
04 Colorado 3.5 Castrol Edge 0W40 Euro & K&N filter
03 Malibu 3.1 QS / Valv Syn 5w30 mix Fram EG filter
Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: KoolG6] #5109189
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What?


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1997 B2500 Van 3.9 - M1 HM 10w-30/Mopar
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Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: KoolG6] #5109192
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I guess that’s goodbye then.

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2017 Mazda CX5
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Re: Another oil recommendation, 2.0 EcoBoost [Re: KoolG6] #5109409
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Originally Posted by KoolG6
Well I want to thank the guys got the recommendation I got for the wife's Rogue, should last many long miles on the Mobil 1

Now my car needs one... I'm running a 2016 2.0 EcoBoost AWD Fusion... 75,000kms on it. Lots of short trips with some longer ones every week or so... I drive harder then the wife drives her rogue as well lol
Only put 15,000 kms on it last 15 months as well, I'm 3 minutes from work so there is the short trips. Last 3 to 4 Oil changes I was running PUP 5w30 but hearing it's not the best for lspi I want to try something better.

What would you guys recommend?

LOL Stick with the PUP, just wasting money paying for more expensive oil.

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