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Oil filter discussion #5060000 03/31/19 06:53 PM
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Well, it has been quite a long time for me posting on this board, as I have been mostly reading about the latest and greatest things, combos, and such...so in that vein, and without further ado...I pose these questions:

1) After going nuts trying to keep all of them straight...who exactly owns who anymore, and have any of them actually gotten worse than normal (manufacturer's that is)

2) Is Baldwin still a pretty decent manufactured filter? My batch of B7243's say that they are made in the US. Am asking this in reference to possibly buying my next case of the Mann W811/80 variety, as since there change, they look quite comparable for about the same price.

And 3) Other than Royal Purple, Purolator BOSS, or Fram Ultra Guard, is there another one that stands out as an overachiever for the price.

Yes, let the flaming/discussion/slap sticking begin.


Yeah, whatever..at least for now.
Re: Oil filter discussion [Re: Dad2leia] #5060021 03/31/19 07:01 PM
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Unless the oil filter fails Your engine will last and last no matter which filter you choose.


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Re: Oil filter discussion [Re: CT8] #5060196 03/31/19 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CT8
Unless the oil filter fails Your engine will last and last no matter which filter you choose.


Unless you are pushing it past 7500 miles, any filter will do.

I think a silicone ADBV is a good idea. So if I could choose from a bunch of filter for the same price, the ones with a silicone ADBV would be my choice.

We will see what the April NAPA sale brings as far as NAPA filters on sale.

The majority of car owners are getting their oil changed at the dealer with (I assume) an OEM flter or a JiffyLufe or indy mechanic and both probably use a "good" (in the good, better, best rating) filter.

A small percentage change their own oil and use what they sell at Walmart.


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Re: Oil filter discussion [Re: Dad2leia] #5060197 03/31/19 09:33 PM
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I think Mobil 1 filters are really good.

I think Wix filters are overpriced.

Re: Oil filter discussion [Re: Donald] #5060217 03/31/19 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Donald
Originally Posted by CT8
Unless the oil filter fails Your engine will last and last no matter which filter you choose.


Unless you are pushing it past 7500 miles, any filter will do.

I think a silicone ADBV is a good idea. So if I could choose from a bunch of filter for the same price, the ones with a silicone ADBV would be my choice.

We will see what the April NAPA sale brings as far as NAPA filters on sale.

The majority of car owners are getting their oil changed at the dealer with (I assume) an OEM flter or a JiffyLufe or indy mechanic and both probably use a "good" (in the good, better, best rating) filter.

A small percentage change their own oil and use what they sell at Walmart.


I tend to combine two of your thoughts since I run around 7k mile OCI's and change oil and filter. (very easy on my truck/SUV).
The vertical mount filters on my GM's are not as dependent on the ADBV and the nitrile in the AC Delco filters hold up and clearly work. As I was slowly building confidence in these (once I knew my older XG10575 stash had the low pressure PRV) ... I did early changes on the PF63E (5k)... each and every time it took a full quart to change the filter (0w30 to help the 0w20 with dilution) ... and that small filter does not hold much ... so the high side of the U-tube is being held by the ADBV
(it dumps a fair amount when the filter comes off seat)

Re: Oil filter discussion [Re: PPWarrior] #5060276 04/01/19 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PPWarrior
I think Mobil 1 filters are really good.
I think Wix filters are overpriced.


Mobil 1 filters are *nothing* special at all.

You can't tell the element from any other cheaper oil filter by looks alone: it looks like any plain pleated paper thing.

Fram Ultra, Puro Boss, Amsoil, Donaldson Synteq, and Royal Purple are OBVIOUSLY synthetic by their construction.


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(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Oil filter discussion [Re: Linctex] #5060301 04/01/19 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Linctex
Originally Posted by PPWarrior
I think Mobil 1 filters are really good.
I think Wix filters are overpriced.


Mobil 1 filters are *nothing* special at all.

You can't tell the element from any other cheaper oil filter by looks alone: it looks like any plain pleated paper thing.

Fram Ultra, Puro Boss, Amsoil, Donaldson Synteq, and Royal Purple are OBVIOUSLY synthetic by their construction.



They do have one thing going for them; they're very heavy!


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Re: Oil filter discussion [Re: CT8] #5060501 04/01/19 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CT8
Unless the oil filter fails Your engine will last and last no matter which filter you choose.



horse

You keep repeating this tired mantra over and over again and it's not helping this board. The OP had specific questions, if you feel that any oil and any oil filter is good enough, maybe you need to find another place to post. This board doesn't need your canned responses.


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2006 Civic EX Coupe, 154k, PUP 5w20 & Fram Ultra
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Re: Oil filter discussion [Re: Dad2leia] #5060536 04/01/19 08:46 AM
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Without any data, which is not available to consumers, it is a discussion like Chevys or Fords. But nothing good will come out of all these name brands consolidating and moving operations South of the border. Just a bystander until my warranty expires but thinking about Amsoil or Donaldson has good quality.

Purflux has been the OEM filter for supercar manufacturers and has a unique way of getting more filter material in a filter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpt_xi8iQqk


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Originally Posted by Patman
Originally Posted by CT8
Unless the oil filter fails Your engine will last and last no matter which filter you choose.


horse

You keep repeating this tired mantra over and over again and it's not helping this board. The OP had specific questions, if you feel that any oil and any oil filter is good enough, maybe you need to find another place to post. This board doesn't need your canned responses.

I agree with you to a point Patman, we are on this board for a reason.
But in the real world, regular changes with whatever oil and filter spec's for the vehicle will probably keep the engine from ever having any oil related issue.

But again, that is not why we are here. We do not want the "good" option, we are wanting the better/best (or even bestest smile ) option.
Plus many are here running with other than normal engine specs or driving conditions.

To the OP, Baldwin still seems to be a solid filter. Nothing spectacular about their regular filters, just built well and never seen any issues with them.
As Lintex said, aside from your 3 mentioned, Amsoil has a great filter (identical to the Royal Purple, just a different color ADV) and Donaldson Synteq (Have only seen one cut open here that I can remember offhand).
You also have the Wix XP, but not sure how good the filtering numbers are for all that one. But it is a wire backed synthetic media. Also Fleetguard Stratapore are a Synthetic/wire backed filter, but a limited selection for those.


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'18 Soul: Synpower 5W-30/PG
'10 Santa Fe: Synpower 5w-30/D+
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Coming from Amsoil EA filters I've now switched to Fram Ultra. They seem to offer the same/better filtration ability at 1/2 the cost for me. Working well so far as I continue to push my OCI's further.


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Re: Oil filter discussion [Re: blupupher] #5060658 04/01/19 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by blupupher

I agree with you to a point Patman, we are on this board for a reason.
But in the real world, regular changes with whatever oil and filter spec's for the vehicle will probably keep the engine from ever having any oil related issue.

But again, that is not why we are here. We do not want the "good" option, we are wanting the better/best (or even bestest smile ) option.
Plus many are here running with other than normal engine specs or driving conditions.




That's my problem with his posts, it's all he seems to respond to most questions. Even if what he says is partially true, it's not in the spirit of this board. What if every single oil and filter topic on here was immediately greeted with that kind of response? It's useless. Yes, we like to split hairs here and picking the best oil and best filter (as we perceive it) might not make a difference, but that simply should not be the answer to every question posted on here.


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Re: Oil filter discussion [Re: Dad2leia] #5060718 04/01/19 10:59 AM
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There is a big distinction between what is theoretically "best" and what is proven as "best". VERY FEW people here have the data, time and training to discern the differences. Your money can buy more "more", but that does not assure you'll get "more".

As with 99% of all the other threads on this site, we see a general lackadaisical effort to define what "good" and "best" mean, as applied against what standards for the conversation.

I, for one, repeatedly state that most any decent product (even many house brands) do well enough that you'll never distinguish the performance differences, and that it's far more likely that boredom with your ride or an accident will take your vehicle out of your garage far sooner than the topic of brand "X" oil or brand "Y" filter.

We have a slew of folks here that can give us canned answers as to what they believe is "best", but I challenge any of them to PROVE how and why those products are "best" in a manner that actually distinguishes the products in real world use.

That some folks tire of the repeated reminder of how superior products don't always return any investment is no more or less irritating than the ad-nauseaum message that more is always better ...




Last edited by dnewton3; 04/01/19 11:00 AM.

The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
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To the OP, Baldwin still seems to be a solid filter. Nothing spectacular about their regular filters, just built well and never seen any issues with them.
As Lintex said, aside from your 3 mentioned, Amsoil has a great filter (identical to the Royal Purple, just a different color ADV) and Donaldson Synteq (Have only seen one cut open here that I can remember offhand).
You also have the Wix XP, but not sure how good the filtering numbers are for all that one. But it is a wire backed synthetic media. Also Fleetguard Stratapore are a Synthetic/wire backed filter, but a limited selection for those.

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That was my feelings on them as well, which given the construction, and the fact that my mileage has been WAY down due to my closde proximity to my workplace, I barely see 5K miles before my down to twice a year OCI. I brought up the Mann, because watching some video on them dated this year, they seem to fall into the same ball park construction and price point wise.

Another poster mentioned Purflux..I would love to get my hands on these, but not at $10 per filter AND $10-15 shipping, since I can't seem to locate anywhere on this side of the pond that deals with them directly.

As past posts and long time members can attest too, I use to use the very best (also read most expensive,usually) oils and filters, and faithfully do 3K/3 month interval..I have since changed my ways, and do them twice a year, getting roughly between 4K and 6K miles, depending on if I actually get to go on a trip over the summer season!!


Yeah, whatever..at least for now.
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Originally Posted by dnewton3
There is a big distinction between what is theoretically "best" and what is proven as "best". VERY FEW people here have the data, time and training to discern the differences. Your money can buy more "more", but that does not assure you'll get "more".

As with 99% of all the other threads on this site, we see a general lackadaisical effort to define what "good" and "best" mean, as applied against what standards for the conversation.

I, for one, repeatedly state that most any decent product (even many house brands) do well enough that you'll never distinguish the performance differences, and that it's far more likely that boredom with your ride or an accident will take your vehicle out of your garage far sooner than the topic of brand "X" oil or brand "Y" filter.

We have a slew of folks here that can give us canned answers as to what they believe is "best", but I challenge any of them to PROVE how and why those products are "best" in a manner that actually distinguishes the products in real world use.

That some folks tire of the repeated reminder of how superior products don't always return any investment is no more or less irritating than the ad-nauseaum message that more is always better ...


Which one is best at keeping the used oil's particle count down by 5 to 10 times less? Real data from UOAs with an ISO particle count. Still waiting for the official test reports that say dirtier oil is just as good or better than cleaner oil for your engine. grin2


ISO PC vs Filter Efficiency.JPG
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