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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: Trav] #4725270 04/12/18 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: Trav
I know this is published by Amsoil but it has not been taken down and AFAIK Amsoil has not been sued over it. If this is correct I wouldn't put that stuff in the same room with an engine.

http://thebestsyntheticoil.com/pdf/TSB%20MO-2010-04-01_chlorine_oil_treatments.pdf



That study is still valid for any OTC additive that contain chlorinated paraffin's. I am not surprised the Cummins engine failed since it has higher combustion temperatures and the potential to create higher levels of acids.

Whether or not MotorKote or any of the other OTC additives mentioned in the Amsoil article currently contain chlorinated paraffin's is anyone's guess, but they are definitely a (edit-mod)-shoot because one does NOT know their exact chemical composition and their potential effects on engine components.

Last edited by dnewton3; 04/14/18 06:05 AM.

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: MolaKule] #4726296 04/13/18 09:58 PM
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Thanks for posting that, scary stuff thinking your engine bearings are being damaged by corrosive chemicals bottled by unscrupulous companies.


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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: SirTanon] #4727134 04/14/18 08:55 PM
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BTW mods, here's a definitive and valid definition for the word I used above:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/[censored]

Definition of [censored]
: something (such as a business venture) that has an unpredictable outcome

SO we will use alternative terminology here:

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Whether or not MotorKote or any of the other OTC additives mentioned in the Amsoil article currently contain chlorinated paraffin's is anyone's guess, but these are definitely additives that can have an upredictable outcome or risky result, respectively, since one does NOT know their exact chemical composition and their potential effects on engine components.

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: SirTanon] #4875023 09/21/18 05:17 PM
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I found myself looking at a bottle of Motorkote today, after listening to a guy at work saying he puts it into everything.
Any long term users of the stuff in here? Anyone pull bearings and done an inspection?


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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: SirTanon] #4881882 09/28/18 05:52 AM
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You know I have been reading these Motorkote threads and I notice a few things about the naysayers
1) they never tried Motorkote
2) they say it doesn't work because it contradicts their beliefs(like how manufacturers would buyout the product if it really worked.. right)
3) they say its full of chlorine (one even said they have proof) but I've still to this day seen NO PROOF of chlorine
4) they say the timkin test is a fraud .. well they ran it w/o the one-arm.. its suspended weights not being touched duh (no one-arm)

Well the supporting evidence seems to be:
1) Ive not seen any complaints about Motorkote corroding their engine over 20 years in this internet age you;d think someone would have
2) no FTC lawsuits against Motorkote (unlike many other real snakeoils)
3) over 80% 5-star positive raving reviews
4) incredible experimental results (see for yourself on youtube)

Like I said .. no evidence contradicting Motorkote claims except lots of fear-mongering heresay

Oh another thing, in this age where manufacturers are pushing 10-20,000mile oil change intervals and "life-time" oils (yea right) , do you really think they have the motivation to keep your engine running after sale and after their 3-4 year warranty? They'd rather your engine die 5-8 years after sale and after warranty so they can sell you another.

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: insanecoder] #4881889 09/28/18 06:22 AM
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Thanks for joining to bring us that, “insanecoder”. What’s your connection to the product?


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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: kschachn] #4884861 10/01/18 07:12 PM
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I just bought it to try it.. theres my connection?
Wanna call Motorkote and recommend me a job there?
Do me a favor please Mr suspicious..
for all the naysayers.. read me points again..

show me a shred of proof Motorkote doesnt do what it says
OR
any evidence Motorkote messed up someone's engine
OR
any evidence there IS chlorine in that product

waiting.. (yep .. sound of crickets)


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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: insanecoder] #4884888 10/01/18 07:35 PM
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People aren't required to prove that it doesn't work. Those making the claims are required to provide that it does work as advertised.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: Garak] #4884905 10/01/18 07:44 PM
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well what is being claimed may be circumstantial

how about the explicit claims (by some) that it
1) contains chlorine
2) messes up peoples engines

well prove that it does any of the above two?

ok so if its accepted the naysayers claims of chlorine etc are moot then it goes back to square one..

which is that its an additive which claims to protect against friction
and 80%+ of those who used it seem to feel that it does what it claims
pretty good odds dont you think?
all those long running engines.. just a coincidence I suppose

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: insanecoder] #4884991 10/01/18 08:45 PM
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I have no idea what its makeup is. Chlorinated compounds have been mentioned here many times, but I've never seen an analysis on the product nor had one done.

As for the product claims, circumstantial is being kind. There's another thing called confirmation bias. A lot of people who throw useless additives into their engines claim it does whatever it said. 80% of people can believe in all kinds of things, but that's not evidence. Now, has any testing been done to demonstrate friction modification by the product in an internal combustion engine?

As for long running engines, are we having engine failures that people need to rush to additives to save them? We've run many engines into the hundreds of thousands of miles using ordinary, conventional 10w-30 Quaker State over 6,000 mile intervals. What could we have possibly gained by an additive? By what you claim, the logic should be that Quaker State conventional used over double the OEM OCI will categorically make an engine outlast the rest of the car. Not one of them used Motorkote, so failure to use Motorkote also helps engines last longer.

There's nothing lacking in a fully formulated motor oil. And if there were, it almost certainly won't be found in the additive aisle.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: insanecoder] #4884992 10/01/18 08:48 PM
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Oh, here's something about the Chlorine, from Wearcheck. That looks like chlorine to me.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: SirTanon] #4885009 10/01/18 09:02 PM
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I am not debating that the product claims are hard to prove without real experimentation of which I have not seen up to now .. maybe it exists somewhere I dont see it
I am simply saying the negative side or naysayers are saying the same thing in the opposite vector and also without any evidence as well.

Meanwhile so if both sides have no concrete evidence to prove their side's argument, you fall back on experiential data
Experiential data being only valid from those who actually experienced the product (ie.. USED it)
Right off then the naysayers's inputs need to be negated as theyve no experience with the product

From experiential testimony, it seems a preponderance of it is positive (over 80%).. alot of the rest is neutral rather than negative..
now if the product had chlorine in it, you'd expect to see over 20 years alot more negative feedback about engines corroded into malfunction.. not seen any
well so is it all in their head?
maybe who knows.. but it is positive

btw what wear-check.. send a link please

actually sorry I need to say that there have been some experimentation on usage of motorkote in abnormal trying conditions on youtube and its fairly phenomenal
although its not exactly scientific but phenomenally its a positive
any phenomenally negative experimentation results on youtube? not that I've seen..

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: insanecoder] #4885015 10/01/18 09:04 PM
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Welcome to the Amsoil club. LOL There are even UOA's here showing excellent performance for what can be measured and it gets treated the same way as MotorKote.

If it works for you that's all that matters. There will always be that group that thinks otherwise and can never provide proof but will jump at the opportunity to cut up a product most of them have never used or claimed to have used and had some sort of bad results. Their loss.



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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: StevieC] #4885026 10/01/18 09:13 PM
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I've just got my order in.. my bottle is coming this week
so I plan to blackstone a before-after and over several iterations to see what its doing to be sure
so I'm not exactly putting faith into it either I want to see results in terms of
whether I am getting any efficiency gains at all which should show in RPM, operational temperature, vibration
as far as the most important goal (for me) is engine life so I want to see a baseline blackstone and then look @ with motorkote in over time
but I have to say the fear mongering based on nothing but negative belief is wholly unscientific and keeps people from maybe getting a product which may benefit their engine investment

Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: SirTanon] #4885033 10/01/18 09:17 PM
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Looking forward to the results... thumbsup


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