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Re: 2016 Honda Pilot appears to be consuming oil [Re: Dave9] #4795658 06/23/18 07:23 PM
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Well let us know what they do. My guess is they more or less tell you politely to get screwed. This is what Subaru did to their customers for years that warm place is going to freeze over before I buy a Subaru.


I know you meant well with this post, but I'm compelled to comment my own personal opinion: The problem with the oil consumption was caused by bad oil control rings from the supply company that provided them to Subaru (or, the Gunma plant in Japan). Some of the dealers themselves were quasi-resistant to doing this because it took a substantial amount of time to do, and from what I understand, warranty work is not as profitable as regular service. However, as long as things were logged appropriately, they were doing short block replacements under warranty and I think might have even extended the warranty for many of the years affected. I believe Honda's warranty is 3/36 for everything? Subaru's regular warranty for my car is 5/60 with my powertrain, and then 10/100 for my transmission components. I'd like to believe if anything nasty appears, it would do so once everything's seated and within 5/60. 3/36 is kind of aggressive for my liking.

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It'll run fine on 5W30 in summer. Maybe fine in winter too but they wouldn't reach their MPG claims.


This is actually an interesting comment. Again, I'd like to see a UOA of one of my model engines running 5w30 without any increased wear metals in the analysis before I really bought into that. I don't even know what the engine code of the Earth Dreams one is.

Personally, I do not care about gas mileage. Sure, I want my cars to be as efficient as possible and not needlessly waste fuel, but if my end game was 30+ mpg, I wouldn't have purchased an SUV.


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Re: 2016 Honda Pilot appears to be consuming oil [Re: pilot1226] #4795663 06/23/18 07:27 PM
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ď....Previously it had not any type of oil consumption to cause any concern....Ē



I would top it off and check it regularly or get it looked at. Either that last oil change was shorted or something loosened up. The calls for impending doom are premature.


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Re: 2016 Honda Pilot appears to be consuming oil [Re: pilot1226] #4795722 06/23/18 08:21 PM
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So you estimate it's consumed just over a quart in 2,500 miles? Sure that's irritating, but Honda likely won't conduct a consumption test based on that. Question: I thought the VCM consumption issues in the newer Honda V-6's was solved. My 2017 Odyssey has 14K miles and uses zero oil. That's why I ask. Personally I prefer to use 5w-20. I don't care what Honda recommends.


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Re: 2016 Honda Pilot appears to be consuming oil [Re: pilot1226] #4795727 06/23/18 08:23 PM
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My pilot is also 2016 MY purchased in July same year. Almost 20K on the clock now and also driven by my wife - mostly short trips. No consumption so far and I had ran M1 and PP lately in 0w20. I had few UOAs done and posted them here. You consumption could be due to VCM and some people install VCM muzzler or VCM tuner which disables it and consumtion improves dramatically. You can give it a try - around 90$ thing with 5 min install.


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Re: 2016 Honda Pilot appears to be consuming oil [Re: pilot1226] #4795730 06/23/18 08:30 PM
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Also, changing oil on this car is very easy. Filter location is a little stupid but not horrible. Powetrain warranty is 5/60 so you got plenty of time. Plus you can get honda care and extended all the way to 120K or 8yrs ( for 1200$ roughly)


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Re: 2016 Honda Pilot appears to be consuming oil [Re: pilot1226] #4795749 06/23/18 08:47 PM
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2016 Pilot here uses zero to "not worth mentioning" amount of Mobil 1. 18,000 miles on the odometer. I am changing it at 6k miles and it is never even half a qt low at oil change time. Before I would condemn the engine as an oil burner, I would upgrade to the regular M1 0W-20 for a test to see if it uses less. Also, verify they actually filled it to full mark after oil is changed. Oil changers are bad about overfilling and underfilling sometimes, so you might have that going on as well.

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Take it to the dealer and have them write up a service order. That way, you have a paper trail should problems develop later on.


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Re: 2016 Honda Pilot appears to be consuming oil [Re: pilot1226] #4795754 06/23/18 08:49 PM
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Powertrain warranty is 5yrs/60000 miles which covers this. Good luck.

Re: 2016 Honda Pilot appears to be consuming oil [Re: pilot1226] #4795768 06/23/18 09:00 PM
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That's great about the Powertrain being 5/60. Didn't realize that. I can breathe easier.

I'll call the service department on Monday to just start a paper trail, but I don't think I'll have time to bring it in reference the vacation from a previous post. I will monitor it like a hawk.

I'll also ask the service department if they'll let me supply my own oil or if they'll let me upgrade to a full synthetic, assuming they're using a blend.

I have no idea what a VCM is or a muzzler. Are you talking about a PCV or EGR type of thing? Perhaps my SubieSpeak doesn't translate well into HondaSpeak. (PCV = Positive Crankshaft Ventilation; EGR = Exhaust Gas Recirculation)

I could consider a 5w20 if I did my own oil changes, but something tells me the dealer would be less willing to accept that since they'd know I'm essentially voiding my warranty.

Now, if I topped off the said burn-off with 5w20, that's another story.

I'll try to remember to follow up after I get in touch with the service department.


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Re: 2016 Honda Pilot appears to be consuming oil [Re: pilot1226] #4795775 06/23/18 09:09 PM
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VCM - variable cilinder managment. Honda has an ongoing lawsuit due to the issues caused by VCM (diables cylinders under low load). Dealer/honda doesnít care if you are changing your oil or someone else does it for you as long as youíre at least following MM. Grab some 0w20 synthetic, change it and start monitoring.


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Re: 2016 Honda Pilot appears to be consuming oil [Re: parshisa] #4795816 06/23/18 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: parshisa
VCM - variable cilinder managment. Honda has an ongoing lawsuit due to the issues caused by VCM (diables cylinders under low load). Dealer/honda doesnít care if you are changing your oil or someone else does it for you as long as youíre at least following MM. Grab some 0w20 synthetic, change it and start monitoring.


Thanks. So youíre saying that VCM is contributing to oil consumption? Why would that be?

Lawsuit against this EarthDreams engine in my Pilot?

Iíll google on disabling it.

This is not the ECON mode right?


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Re: 2016 Honda Pilot appears to be consuming oil [Re: pilot1226] #4795829 06/23/18 10:06 PM
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I believe all older V6 honda engines equipped with the VCM are a part of a lawsuit. I donít think current ones are.

Basically, VCM disables 2 out 6 cylinders (might be wrong on the # of cyl) which makes the engine to run at different temperatures, which leads to uneven wear and oil consumption ( thatís how i see it). Econ mode would indicate VCM on older hondas but not on current generation of J series.


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Has a bad engine. I would trade it in for something more reliable.

Are you saying that this particular engine design is a bad engine (The Earth Dreams V6) or my particular engine in my Pilot is a single instance of a bad engine?


I'm saying that your particular engine is bad. Not familiar with this V6 engine.

In this day and age there is no excuse for an engine to use oil. I wouldn't stand for it.


Only car I had that used oil was a Madza RX7 with a rotary engine that had oil injection and was meant to use a little oil.
1988 Honda Accord with 250K miles used no oil. My POS Mercury Mistake, I mean Mystique, used no oil. My eco-box 1.6 liter Sentra with 150K used not a drop of oil.
My wife's Elantra, my Ferrari or any of my Mercedes ever used a drop of oil.


It's a bad engine and I would get it replaced or get rid of the car while you still can. It only has 20K on it now, can only get worse.

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Change to 5w20. If it's enough short trips that may be the reason of consumption.


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Originally Posted By: parshisa
I believe all older V6 honda engines equipped with the VCM are a part of a lawsuit. I donít think current ones are.

Basically, VCM disables 2 out 6 cylinders (might be wrong on the # of cyl) which makes the engine to run at different temperatures, which leads to uneven wear and oil consumption ( thatís how i see it). Econ mode would indicate VCM on older hondas but not on current generation of J series.


Gotcha. Yeah, we don't use the ECON mode on our car. Maybe that'll help.

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Has a bad engine. I would trade it in for something more reliable.

Are you saying that this particular engine design is a bad engine (The Earth Dreams V6) or my particular engine in my Pilot is a single instance of a bad engine?


I'm saying that your particular engine is bad. Not familiar with this V6 engine.

In this day and age there is no excuse for an engine to use oil. I wouldn't stand for it.


Only car I had that used oil was a Madza RX7 with a rotary engine that had oil injection and was meant to use a little oil.
1988 Honda Accord with 250K miles used no oil. My POS Mercury Mistake, I mean Mystique, used no oil. My eco-box 1.6 liter Sentra with 150K used not a drop of oil.
My wife's Elantra, my Ferrari or any of my Mercedes ever used a drop of oil.


It's a bad engine and I would get it replaced or get rid of the car while you still can. It only has 20K on it now, can only get worse.



Thanks. I'm not ready to put it down just yet - maybe when it approaches end of warranty if we're still having trouble.

I'm pretty sure that urban driving does occasionally have some oil consumption side-effects regardless of manufacturer - happening because oils getting thinner and have more evaporative properties (higher NOACK)...

Will continue monitoring and will consider adding 5w20 next time.


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