Recent Topics
Best recommendation for Honda 10w30 trans
by Pepsibottle1
06/25/18 01:55 PM
Mills Fleet Farm Roadrunner batteries - who makes?
by volk06
06/25/18 01:09 PM
Honda ATF DW1 bottle stamp decoding
by parshisa
06/25/18 12:03 PM
How to lower throttle sensitivity?
by NICAT
06/25/18 11:41 AM
That's some service! (New Central AC...)
by xBa380
06/25/18 11:13 AM
Valvoline 2 Cycle TC-W3 Marine Oil - 6qt - $20
by Jimzz
06/25/18 10:45 AM
Plumbing/Bldg Experts: Cause of Wet Slab?
by LoneRanger
06/25/18 10:13 AM
How to CONFIRM the Country of Manufacture
by Ed_Flecko
06/25/18 09:58 AM
Replacing trans oil seal
by redhat
06/25/18 09:50 AM
VW diesels sitting in huge lots waiting......
by ZZman
06/25/18 09:09 AM
DTD/DT Independence Day Promos
by Sayjac
06/25/18 08:39 AM
It's AMSOIL®, not Amsoil
by Rat407
06/25/18 06:39 AM
VW Passat 2007
by madRiver
06/25/18 06:18 AM
Review: CVJ Remanufactured CV Axles
by The Critic
06/25/18 03:40 AM
Towing without 85w140?
by OilFilters
06/25/18 03:07 AM
2015 VW GTI autobahn oil questions
by Skyalbo
06/24/18 11:28 PM
Corrosion in the garage - salt or humidity?
by Kurtatron
06/24/18 11:13 PM
Darn dogs
by AZjeff
06/24/18 10:21 PM
New GC?
by Bullwinkle007
06/24/18 10:04 PM
The guy with the plexiglass head on you tube
by andyd
06/24/18 09:21 PM
Newest Members
dhy808, ROD_Z, lozpxs, danthemanx07, FunktasticLucky
65319 Registered Users
Who's Online
84 registered (4WD, 87sammy, aquariuscsm, 9050lx, AZjeff, Al, 9 invisible), 1670 Guests and 29 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
65319 Members
67 Forums
285971 Topics
4772295 Posts

Max Online: 3590 @ 01/24/17 08:07 PM
Donate to BITOG
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#4783024 - 06/10/18 12:32 PM New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6
Franz Offline


Registered: 06/09/18
Posts: 55
Loc: Austria
Hi everybody! I got some Questions About the new MB 229.6 Specifications so I wanted to let you know About my Research! This new spec supersedes 229.5,229.3,229.1 and 226.5 altough .3 and .5 will stick around for a Long time! I found 3 different oils Meeting this specification:

Fuchs pro 229.6 5w30

Shell Helix Ultra 5w40

Total QUartz 9000 0w40

This oil seems to be suitable for high Performance and flexible oil change intervall gasoline and diesel engines without particulate filter! As I am not that much intersted in the chemistry and HTHS, Pour and flame Point and so on Maybe someone can bring this Information as I am sure many of you are interested!

The newest Mercedes Specification for diesels is MB 229.52, I don´t know if this is of interest in the USA because most are running on gasoline I think!

Top
#4783053 - 06/10/18 01:09 PM Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6 [Re: Franz]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6178
Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: Franz
.............the new MB 229.6 Specifications


What actually changed?
_________________________
"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."

Top
#4783112 - 06/10/18 02:32 PM Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6 [Re: Franz]
edwardh1 Offline


Registered: 01/17/03
Posts: 2945
Loc: Coastal South Carolina
good question sometimes change is for the sake of change like in computers in the yearly update,
well we moved the "print" button location, much better now.
_________________________
These products are all new every year?? They are a revolution!!! Razor blades, mens shirts, TVs, wiper blades, gutter guards, hearing aids... according to the ads. But also all new last year

Top
#4783120 - 06/10/18 02:52 PM Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6 [Re: Franz]
JAG Offline


Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 4841
Loc: Fredericksburg, VA
The major aspect is that HTHS viscosity must be between 2.9 and 3.5 cP to improve fuel economy.
Compare using Lubrizol’s tool: https://www.lubrizol.com/Lubricant-and-F...erformance-Tool

Top
#4783214 - 06/10/18 05:22 PM Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6 [Re: JAG]
SR5 Offline


Registered: 07/07/15
Posts: 4474
Loc: Down Under
Originally Posted By: JAG
The major aspect is that HTHS viscosity must be between 2.9 and 3.5 cP to improve fuel economy.
Compare using Lubrizol’s tool: https://www.lubrizol.com/Lubricant-and-F...erformance-Tool

Thanks for that. The MB specs are usually an extension of the Euro ACEA specs with better Noack volatility, < 13% for ACEA and < 10 % for MB.

The MB229.5 is based on ACEA A3/B4 (high-SAPS) with MB229.51 based on mid-SAPS ACEA C3, both with high HTHS ( > 3.5 cP).

It sounds like MB229.6 is for low HTHS (< 3.5 cP) fuel conserving version, I assume MB229.6 will be based on ACEA A5/B5 and maybe a corresponding ACEA C2 mid-SAPS version MB229.61 will appear.
_________________________
Penrite Vantage 10W40 SN & A3/B4 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154

Top
#4783231 - 06/10/18 05:39 PM Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6 [Re: Franz]
JAG Offline


Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 4841
Loc: Fredericksburg, VA
For MB 229.6, sulfated ash must be between 1.0 and 1.5%. Phosphorus between 0.07 and 0.11%. Sulfur less than 0.5%. I may have missed it, but I couldn’t find an ACEA spec. that had those same limits. The chemical limits appear more restricted than A5 and less than C2. Below the Lubrizol tool spider chart, it shows the limits.

Top
#4783277 - 06/10/18 06:36 PM Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6 [Re: JAG]
SR5 Offline


Registered: 07/07/15
Posts: 4474
Loc: Down Under
For ACEA SAPS levels:
A3/B4 > 1.0% & < 1.6%
A5/B5 < 1.6%

For Phos & Sulphur levels:
Report

For Noack:
< 13%

(ACEA Sequences 2016 PDF )

So a MB229.6 oil will pass A5/B5 but not necessarily the other way around.

Similarly Ford 913D passes A5/B5 and they say it's based on A5/B5, but then they add a few extra tests and specs, like it can only be 5W30 from Ford, so my Castrol Edge 10W30 A5/B5 could never carry 913D.

GM Dexos2 is ACEA C3 with a few extra restrictions like better / tighter / lower cold flow starting (CCS) added.

That's what I like about ACEA speccs, they are a great starting point, but with enough wiggle room for each manufacturer to make it their own.
_________________________
Penrite Vantage 10W40 SN & A3/B4 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154

Top
#4783285 - 06/10/18 06:49 PM Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6 [Re: Franz]
Wolf359 Online   content


Registered: 04/27/12
Posts: 4777
Loc: MA
It's on MB's website.

Looks like Fuchs is the only one on the approved listed that you mentioned. Shell and Total aren't on there. Either it's not approved yet or they haven't updated the list.

http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.6_en.html

I haven't seen those other two Mobil oils mentioned but then again I haven't been looking.

Top
#4783517 - 06/11/18 01:26 AM Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6 [Re: SR5]
zeng Offline


Registered: 09/01/15
Posts: 2190
Loc: Malaysia
Originally Posted By: SR5
Originally Posted By: JAG
The major aspect is that HTHS viscosity must be between 2.9 and 3.5 cP to improve fuel economy.
Compare using Lubrizol’s tool: https://www.lubrizol.com/Lubricant-and-F...erformance-Tool

Thanks for that. The MB specs are usually an extension of the Euro ACEA specs with better Noack volatility, < 13% for ACEA and < 10 % for MB.

The MB229.5 is based on ACEA A3/B4 (high-SAPS) with MB229.51 based on mid-SAPS ACEA C3, both with high HTHS ( > 3.5 cP).

It sounds like MB229.6 is for low HTHS (< 3.5 cP) fuel conserving version, I assume MB229.6 will be based on ACEA A5/B5 and maybe a corresponding ACEA C2 mid-SAPS version MB229.61 will appear.


Edit:SR5, you could be right as no xW40 is on MB 229.6 list.

Well..... a bit confusing as HTHS of SHU 5W40 and Total 9000 0W40 can't be < 3.5 cP right?

Edit: SR5, you could be right as none of xW40 is on MB 229.6 listings.


Edited by zeng (06/11/18 01:31 AM)

Top
#4783544 - 06/11/18 04:29 AM Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6 [Re: Franz]
DS9 Offline


Registered: 07/10/13
Posts: 81
Loc: Belgrade, Serbia, Europe
BTW, I doubt there is still (in Austria/Europe) the oil by the name Quartz 9000 0W-40 (I mean - packaged by that name), it is an old spec., from year 2004. and replaced with newer, named Energy.
http://www.lubadmin.com/upload/produit/fichepdf/lang_1/1175.pdf

Quite confusing is that oil with newer name and specs. from year 2016... https://catalog.lubricants.total.com/gallery/ORIGINALS/visuels/23000/23401

...does not correspond to its specs but to older oil named without word Energy, at least for a russian market - according to this VOA from Russia

http://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic/32184-total-quartz-9000-energy-0w-40-svezhee/


Edited by DS9 (06/11/18 04:39 AM)

Top
#4783777 - 06/11/18 11:03 AM Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6 [Re: Franz]
Franz Offline


Registered: 06/09/18
Posts: 55
Loc: Austria
Hi and thanks to all for your answers really interesting!

Just to update for your own Research where you can take a look at the oils I have mentioned which are carrying the 229.6 spec, if it is not a typing error from the page!

I found the Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 MB229.6 at UKs Website OPIEOILS, and the Total quartz 9000 0w40 carrying 229.6 at Amazon.de, altough I didn´t purchase one of them to have proof if they really do!

Top
#4783845 - 06/11/18 12:12 PM Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6 [Re: Franz]
pezzy669 Offline


Registered: 03/27/04
Posts: 217
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Wondering if MB dealers will replace all their 229.5 stock with 229.6? I honestly have no issues running 5W-30 in my '09 C300 (M272 engine) if they backdate the spec only as long as it provides same performance as 229.5 5W-40 that is the MB dealer standard.
_________________________
2009 Mercedes-Benz C300 Auto

Top
#4784200 - 06/11/18 06:51 PM Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6 [Re: pezzy669]
1JZ_E46 Offline


Registered: 04/04/16
Posts: 1231
Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: pezzy669
Wondering if MB dealers will replace all their 229.5 stock with 229.6? I honestly have no issues running 5W-30 in my '09 C300 (M272 engine) if they backdate the spec only as long as it provides same performance as 229.5 5W-40 that is the MB dealer standard.


It wouldn't surprise me. It seems like MB is following BMW's approach of replacing LL-01 with LL-01 "FE". Both 229.6 and LL-01 FE are pretty much the same spec as 229.5 and LL-01, respectively, with the exception that they are based off the A5/B5 (or C2) sequence (lower HTHS) instead of A3/B4.


Edited by 1JZ_E46 (06/11/18 07:06 PM)
_________________________
2007 BMW X5 4.8i, 105K: Castrol EDGE 0W-40, Mann
2012 Mini Cooper, 45K: Castrol EDGE 0W-30, Mann

Top
#4784991 - 06/12/18 03:33 PM Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6 [Re: pezzy669]
barryh Offline


Registered: 01/09/16
Posts: 312
Loc: Cheshire, England
Originally Posted By: pezzy669
Wondering if MB dealers will replace all their 229.5 stock with 229.6? I honestly have no issues running 5W-30 in my '09 C300 (M272 engine) if they backdate the spec only as long as it provides same performance as 229.5 5W-40 that is the MB dealer standard.


A few months back I bought 20 L of 229.5 from an MB dealer for £54.99. At the time I couldn't understand why an MB dealer was selling genuine MB oil that cheap but perhaps they were shifting stocks.
_________________________
Barry

1979 BMW R45 (Triple QX 5W40)
2009 Mercedes C180K (Shell Helix Ultra 5W40)

Top
#4786349 - 06/14/18 01:58 AM Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6 [Re: Franz]
Falcon_LS Offline


Registered: 10/03/08
Posts: 4058
Loc: Kuwait
Sounds like another case of "newer isn't always better". Personally, I prefer A3/B4 with an HTHS 3.5+ cP over A5/B5 with <3.5 cP, but that's just me.
_________________________
99 Explorer: XG8A/GC 0W40
00 Pajero: XG9688/MC 15W40
01 Grand Marquis: XG2/XCess 5W40
03 Expedition SSV: XG2/XCess 5W40
05 Envoy: XG9837/5W30 ESP
06 XJ8L: C2C41611/5W30 ESP
07 SRX: XG8765/5W30 ESP

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >