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Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6
[Re: Franz]
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06/10/18 12:09 PM
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Linctex
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.............the new MB 229.6 Specifications What actually changed?
"The evidence demands a verdict". (Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
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Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6
[Re: Franz]
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06/10/18 01:32 PM
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good question sometimes change is for the sake of change like in computers in the yearly update, well we moved the "print" button location, much better now.
These products are all new every year?? They are a revolution!!! Razor blades, mens shirts, TVs, wiper blades, gutter guards, hearing aids... according to the ads. But also all new last year
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Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6
[Re: JAG]
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06/10/18 04:22 PM
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Thanks for that. The MB specs are usually an extension of the Euro ACEA specs with better Noack volatility, < 13% for ACEA and < 10 % for MB. The MB229.5 is based on ACEA A3/B4 (high-SAPS) with MB229.51 based on mid-SAPS ACEA C3, both with high HTHS ( > 3.5 cP). It sounds like MB229.6 is for low HTHS (< 3.5 cP) fuel conserving version, I assume MB229.6 will be based on ACEA A5/B5 and maybe a corresponding ACEA C2 mid-SAPS version MB229.61 will appear.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Castrol GTX Ultraclean 15W40 A3/B3 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
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Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6
[Re: JAG]
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06/10/18 05:36 PM
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For ACEA SAPS levels: A3/B4 > 1.0% & < 1.6% A5/B5 < 1.6% For Phos & Sulphur levels: Report For Noack: < 13% (ACEA Sequences 2016 PDF ) So a MB229.6 oil will pass A5/B5 but not necessarily the other way around. Similarly Ford 913D passes A5/B5 and they say it's based on A5/B5, but then they add a few extra tests and specs, like it can only be 5W30 from Ford, so my Castrol Edge 10W30 A5/B5 could never carry 913D. GM Dexos2 is ACEA C3 with a few extra restrictions like better / tighter / lower cold flow starting (CCS) added. That's what I like about ACEA speccs, they are a great starting point, but with enough wiggle room for each manufacturer to make it their own.
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Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6
[Re: Franz]
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06/10/18 05:49 PM
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It's on MB's website. Looks like Fuchs is the only one on the approved listed that you mentioned. Shell and Total aren't on there. Either it's not approved yet or they haven't updated the list. http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.6_en.htmlI haven't seen those other two Mobil oils mentioned but then again I haven't been looking.
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Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6
[Re: SR5]
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06/11/18 12:26 AM
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Thanks for that. The MB specs are usually an extension of the Euro ACEA specs with better Noack volatility, < 13% for ACEA and < 10 % for MB. The MB229.5 is based on ACEA A3/B4 (high-SAPS) with MB229.51 based on mid-SAPS ACEA C3, both with high HTHS ( > 3.5 cP). It sounds like MB229.6 is for low HTHS (< 3.5 cP) fuel conserving version, I assume MB229.6 will be based on ACEA A5/B5 and maybe a corresponding ACEA C2 mid-SAPS version MB229.61 will appear. Edit:SR5, you could be right as no xW40 is on MB 229.6 list. Well..... a bit confusing as HTHS of SHU 5W40 and Total 9000 0W40 can't be < 3.5 cP right? Edit: SR5, you could be right as none of xW40 is on MB 229.6 listings.
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Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6
[Re: Franz]
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06/11/18 11:12 AM
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Wondering if MB dealers will replace all their 229.5 stock with 229.6? I honestly have no issues running 5W-30 in my '09 C300 (M272 engine) if they backdate the spec only as long as it provides same performance as 229.5 5W-40 that is the MB dealer standard.
2011 Mercedes-Benz E350 4Matic - 85k miles 2009 Mercedes-Benz C300 Auto (Traded - 8/11/18 - 78k)
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Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6
[Re: pezzy669]
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06/11/18 05:51 PM
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Wondering if MB dealers will replace all their 229.5 stock with 229.6? I honestly have no issues running 5W-30 in my '09 C300 (M272 engine) if they backdate the spec only as long as it provides same performance as 229.5 5W-40 that is the MB dealer standard. It wouldn't surprise me. It seems like MB is following BMW's approach of replacing LL-01 with LL-01 "FE". Both 229.6 and LL-01 FE are pretty much the same spec as 229.5 and LL-01, respectively, with the exception that they are based off the A5/B5 (or C2) sequence (lower HTHS) instead of A3/B4.
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2007 X5 4.8i: M1 HM 10W-30 2016 Countryman S: Castrol 0W-40
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Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6
[Re: pezzy669]
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06/12/18 02:33 PM
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Wondering if MB dealers will replace all their 229.5 stock with 229.6? I honestly have no issues running 5W-30 in my '09 C300 (M272 engine) if they backdate the spec only as long as it provides same performance as 229.5 5W-40 that is the MB dealer standard. A few months back I bought 20 L of 229.5 from an MB dealer for £54.99. At the time I couldn't understand why an MB dealer was selling genuine MB oil that cheap but perhaps they were shifting stocks.
Barry
1979 BMW R45 (Triple QX 5W40) 2009 Mercedes C180K (Shell Helix Ultra 5W40)
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Re: New Mercedes Benz Spec. 229.6
[Re: Franz]
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06/14/18 12:58 AM
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Sounds like another case of "newer isn't always better". Personally, I prefer A3/B4 with an HTHS 3.5+ cP over A5/B5 with <3.5 cP, but that's just me.
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