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PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles #4749154
05/06/18 10:11 AM
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Re: PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles [Re: Baracoa] #4749162
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Looks great but it is about $3 more than an Ultra by Fram


"If I walked on water, they'd say I couldn't swim."
Re: PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles [Re: Baracoa] #4749181
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He just had to mention the cardboard end caps on the Fram, the video would not be complete with the cliche Fram criticism.

Tear-o-lator!


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Re: PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles [Re: maxdustington] #4749183
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Originally Posted By: maxdustington
He just had to mention the cardboard end caps on the Fram, the video would not be complete with the cliche Fram criticism.
Except the FRAM equivalent of a Purolator Boss is the Ultra which has metal end caps (heh... debatable if it requires an Ultra to best a Purolator though). crackmeup

Re: PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles [Re: maxdustington] #4749187
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Originally Posted By: maxdustington
He just had to mention the cardboard end caps on the Fram, the video would not be complete with the cliche Fram criticism.

Tear-o-lator!


If Fram did away with those end caps 50 years ago they would still be mentioned.
Very tiring.


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Re: PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles [Re: Baracoa] #4749240
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I'd thought about using Boss but their efficiency rating is too low and they are locally priced over $12. I can get both an M1 filter and an Ultra a couple dollars cheaper and with a much higher efficiency rate it just makes no sense to go there.


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Re: PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #4749250
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
I'd thought about using Boss but their efficiency rating is too low and they are locally priced over $12. I can get both an M1 filter and an Ultra a couple dollars cheaper and with a much higher efficiency rate it just makes no sense to go there.



Not worth it IMO, M1 oil filters are $10 everyday at Walmart


Dave


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Re: PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles [Re: maxdustington] #4749268
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[quote=maxdustington]He just had to mention the cardboard end caps on the Fram, the video would not be complete with the cliche Fram criticism.

Tear-o-lator! [/quote

Fram should stop using cardboard end caps. I think it's cost them more in profits than they've saved.


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Re: PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles [Re: GMguy84] #4749293
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Originally Posted By: GMguy84
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
I'd thought about using Boss but their efficiency rating is too low and they are locally priced over $12. I can get both an M1 filter and an Ultra a couple dollars cheaper and with a much higher efficiency rate it just makes no sense to go there.



Not worth it IMO, M1 oil filters are $10 everyday at Walmart


Dave


Fram Ultra or Mobil 1 filters for me. I won't even consider a Purolator. I've given up on AAP oil change specials years ago because of the Purolator filters. Occasionally they'd run them with a Mobil 1 filter and I'd buy if the deal looked good.


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Re: PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles [Re: demarpaint] #4749306
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint



Fram Ultra or Mobil 1 filters for me. I won't even consider a Purolator. I've given up on AAP oil change specials years ago because of the Purolator filters. Occasionally they'd run them with a Mobil 1 filter and I'd buy if the deal looked good.




Same here, I have Mobil 1 filters on my Suburban/Trans am and my Crown vic has a FUG XG2


Before my BITOG days, I use to run TEAROLATORS on my Suburban. But once I found out they were bad, I switched to a M1 filter I got for $7 and now FUG


Dave

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01 Suburban 5.3 DELO 400 XLE 10W30/FUG XG3675

1982 TRANS AM (KITT) Mobil Super 5K HM 10W40/M1-302A
Re: PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles [Re: GMguy84] #4749323
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Originally Posted By: GMguy84
Originally Posted By: demarpaint



Fram Ultra or Mobil 1 filters for me. I won't even consider a Purolator. I've given up on AAP oil change specials years ago because of the Purolator filters. Occasionally they'd run them with a Mobil 1 filter and I'd buy if the deal looked good.




Same here, I have Mobil 1 filters on my Suburban/Trans am and my Crown vic has a FUG XG2


Before my BITOG days, I use to run TEAROLATORS on my Suburban. But once I found out they were bad, I switched to a M1 filter I got for $7 and now FUG


Dave


I used Fram filters for decades before joining this site, I switched to Purolator because of this site. When they started having problems with the paint flakes on the base plate and gasket with the Pure One color change to the puke color, it was the beginning of the end for them. Combine that with the tearing issues and I got rid of my stash and was done with them.


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Re: PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles [Re: Baracoa] #4749363
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I forget that people outside of BITOG have such a hate for Fram filters. I did my part and described that the end caps are by no means cardboard and that the Fram Ultra is an awesome filter!


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Re: PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles [Re: demarpaint] #4749419
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: GMguy84
Originally Posted By: demarpaint



Fram Ultra or Mobil 1 filters for me. I won't even consider a Purolator. I've given up on AAP oil change specials years ago because of the Purolator filters. Occasionally they'd run them with a Mobil 1 filter and I'd buy if the deal looked good.




Same here, I have Mobil 1 filters on my Suburban/Trans am and my Crown vic has a FUG XG2


Before my BITOG days, I use to run TEAROLATORS on my Suburban. But once I found out they were bad, I switched to a M1 filter I got for $7 and now FUG


Dave


I used Fram filters for decades before joining this site, I switched to Purolator because of this site. When they started having problems with the paint flakes on the base plate and gasket with the Pure One color change to the puke color, it was the beginning of the end for them. Combine that with the tearing issues and I got rid of my stash and was done with them.


Originally Posted By: mazdamonky
I forget that people outside of BITOG have such a hate for Fram filters. I did my part and described that the end caps are by no means cardboard and that the Fram Ultra is an awesome filter!


I probably started reading BITOG around 2010, but I have seen it mentioned here that this board invented the term OCOD, and hated Fram during the early 2000s I believe. Puros were the hot ticket up until they started cheapening as demar pointed out. I think Fram overtook Puro in like 2012-2014 and the height of the Tear-o-lator era I think was 2014-2015.

What I find strange is how the public somehow figured out that Fram sucked, either from leaked BITOG knowledge from before social media took over, or by assuming that cardboard end caps mean low quality. Many BITOGers have been or are fooled by them, so it can be reasoned that the public sure likes them metal end caps.

I wish the public knew the truth about Fram! Silicone ADBV brand wide and value at all price points.

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Re: PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles [Re: TheLawnRanger] #4749464
05/06/18 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: TheLawnRanger
[quote=maxdustington]He just had to mention the cardboard end caps on the Fram, the video would not be complete with the cliche Fram criticism.

Tear-o-lator! [/quote

Fram should stop using cardboard end caps. I think it's cost them more in profits than they've saved.

I never viewed it as a cost cutting measure and Fram has never stated it was either.

As far as I'm concerned it makes the end cap stick to the filter media better because they're both fiber-based. The potting they use sticks better to fiber than metal. You can't remove an end cap from a Fram without tearing it but I've had more than one Purolator where the end cap was already detached as soon as I pulled the filter out of the can. Numerous other people here have run into end cap detached Purolators.

Fram explained themselves in one of their videos, the only reason the ultra has metal end caps is that the synthetic media needs a deeper well of adhesive to bond. If you look at the metal end caps they always have raised edges to form a sort of dish or pan. That holds the large amount of adhesive needed for the synthetic media without it running all off the edges of the end cap.


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Re: PurolatorBoss cut open after 16,000 miles [Re: maxdustington] #4749469
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Originally Posted By: maxdustington
What I find strange is how the public somehow figured out that Fram sucked, either from leaked BITOG knowledge from before social media took over, or by assuming that cardboard end caps mean low quality. Many BITOGers have been or are fooled by them, so it can be reasoned that the public sure likes them metal end caps.


If that same public know just how many oil filters don't have metal end caps they would have to throw all those into the "they suck" category too. The general public runs on rumors, some of which are decades old and have no idea what's really going on in real time.


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