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Legal ? - Employment - Sorta #4684912
03/05/18 08:32 AM
03/05/18 08:32 AM
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SevenBizzos Offline OP
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BITOG has "experts" on everything. Just looking for opinions on this. A group of strangers on the internet on a oil fan site seems like the perfect place for this! wink

Basic story line:

Employees A and B are good friends and work under supervisor C.

Employee A is being terminated. During the meeting to inform A of their firing, A brings a claim of harassment against C. A also claims B was a witness. HR has a "zero tolerance" and proceeds to terminate C, although C flatly denies the claim. (Probably not worth anything to the story, but B was terminated four days later)

My question isn't about the employer as they can do whatever they want. My question is do you think C has any legal recourse against A (and possibly B) for this?

This isn't me. I just felt sorry for the person and know them well enough to believe their version.

Thanks random strangers!

Re: Legal ? - Employment - Sorta [Re: SevenBizzos] #4684924
03/05/18 08:44 AM
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I would think C might have something with the company, if they had no proof of any harassment, BUT-a lawsuit could likely damage C's future job/prospects(?), with the need to testify at court, or at least a deposition-not sure it would be worth following up on it. Besides, they all lost their jobs, so how good of a company is it to work for, really?


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Re: Legal ? - Employment - Sorta [Re: SevenBizzos] #4684925
03/05/18 08:44 AM
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Definitely. Any lawyer worth his salt would rope all the parties into the suit. I think the primary party though would be the employer, as they sre the party that directly decided causing a loss and has more responsibility of care; but there is still a solid case against the person making the false accusation for causing the loss too.

You can google false accusation employment and you'll get a bunch of hits including some general blog type articles on the topic from law firms.

Ultimately as with many things in the law, it is not cut and dried, and there are many ways the story could unfold sometimes depending on how much money or time the parties have to spend on the lawsuit.

Tou definitely need a lawyer dor something like this,

Last edited by raytseng; 03/05/18 08:49 AM.
Re: Legal ? - Employment - Sorta [Re: SevenBizzos] #4684932
03/05/18 08:48 AM
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Is IL a right to work state?


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Re: Legal ? - Employment - Sorta [Re: bullwinkle] #4684934
03/05/18 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
I would think C might have something with the company, if they had no proof of any harassment, BUT-a lawsuit could likely damage C's future job/prospects(?), with the need to testify at court, or at least a deposition-not sure it would be worth following up on it. Besides, they all lost their jobs, so how good of a company is it to work for, really?
As a friend of mine who sued an employer once told me, "even when you win, you still lose."


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Re: Legal ? - Employment - Sorta [Re: SevenBizzos] #4684945
03/05/18 09:04 AM
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I knew a manager fired for allegedly harassing a woman at work and they fired him when woman mentioned lawsuit. 15 years down the drain.... later it was found out that she was lying. smirk

OP situation can get very murky with various stories from fired employees.

Re: Legal ? - Employment - Sorta [Re: SOHCman] #4684946
03/05/18 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted By: SOHCman
Is IL a right to work state?

At-Will work state.


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Re: Legal ? - Employment - Sorta [Re: bullwinkle] #4684961
03/05/18 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
I would think C might have something with the company, if they had no proof of any harassment, BUT-a lawsuit could likely damage C's future job/prospects(?), with the need to testify at court, or at least a deposition-not sure it would be worth following up on it. Besides, they all lost their jobs, so how good of a company is it to work for, really?

Question for OP/ C's friend:
after the shock of firing passes,
What answer will the HR from former company give if they get any request for background check from a prospective employer?
If just employed from x to y and no other "comments", I would suggest to move-on.
To have a case you will need a REALLY good shark+vulture lawyer, since the company will most likely not cooperate.
Every kick in the but is a step forward.

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Re: Legal ? - Employment - Sorta [Re: SevenBizzos] #4684963
03/05/18 09:17 AM
03/05/18 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: SevenBizzos
BITOG has "experts" on everything. Just looking for opinions on this. A group of strangers on the internet on a oil fan site seems like the perfect place for this! wink

Basic story line:

Employees A and B are good friends and work under supervisor C.

Employee A is being terminated. During the meeting to inform A of their firing, A brings a claim of harassment against C. A also claims B was a witness. HR has a "zero tolerance" and proceeds to terminate C, although C flatly denies the claim. (Probably not worth anything to the story, but B was terminated four days later)

My question isn't about the employer as they can do whatever they want. My question is do you think C has any legal recourse against A (and possibly B) for this?

This isn't me. I just felt sorry for the person and know them well enough to believe their version.

Thanks random strangers!


C only has recourse if he can prove that his rights under protected classes were violated and submit a claim to EEOC (if he or she has faced constant harassment during employment and has kept records). These usually end up in a symbolic fine of around $5k in right-to-work states like IL.

Quote:
Race.
Color.
Religion or creed.
National origin or ancestry.
Sex.
Age.
Physical or mental disability.
Veteran status.
Genetic information.
Citizenship.

Re: Legal ? - Employment - Sorta [Re: Alfred_B] #4684975
03/05/18 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted By: Alfred_B
Originally Posted By: SevenBizzos
BITOG has "experts" on everything. Just looking for opinions on this. A group of strangers on the internet on a oil fan site seems like the perfect place for this! wink

Basic story line:

Employees A and B are good friends and work under supervisor C.

Employee A is being terminated. During the meeting to inform A of their firing, A brings a claim of harassment against C. A also claims B was a witness. HR has a "zero tolerance" and proceeds to terminate C, although C flatly denies the claim. (Probably not worth anything to the story, but B was terminated four days later)

My question isn't about the employer as they can do whatever they want. My question is do you think C has any legal recourse against A (and possibly B) for this?

This isn't me. I just felt sorry for the person and know them well enough to believe their version.

Thanks random strangers!


C only has recourse if he can prove that his rights under protected classes were violated and submit a claim to EEOC (if he or she has faced constant harassment during employment and has kept records). These usually end up in a symbolic fine of around $5k in right-to-work states like IL.

Quote:
Race.
Color.
Religion or creed.
National origin or ancestry.
Sex.
Age.
Physical or mental disability.
Veteran status.
Genetic information.
Citizenship.


A shark lawyer would still rope the employer in, not under the emplyment laws, but under the same slander/libel/defamation laws used against a and b.
It would ve along the lines of saying they fired you validates the accusation, and damages your reputation and future job prospects.
So the suit wouldn't be about the past job exactly, but about the future jobs.

Last edited by raytseng; 03/05/18 09:36 AM.
Re: Legal ? - Employment - Sorta [Re: SevenBizzos] #4685015
03/05/18 09:58 AM
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@raytseng That's a good point.

Re: Legal ? - Employment - Sorta [Re: SevenBizzos] #4685017
03/05/18 09:59 AM
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Not much you can do. It will one persons word vs another persons word. Move on, find a new job.

If the allegation was patently false, then lets hope A has it coming to them. If accurate, then its good that the supervisor was fired.


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Re: Legal ? - Employment - Sorta [Re: SevenBizzos] #4685073
03/05/18 10:54 AM
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How does C get terminated so quickly? 0 tolerance is logical but you cant fire someone without doing a proper investigation. Guilty until proven innocent these days like some movements.

Last edited by Rolla07; 03/05/18 10:55 AM.

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Re: Legal ? - Employment - Sorta [Re: Rolla07] #4685081
03/05/18 11:01 AM
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Just wondering if it was really planned layoffs and all three were going to go anyway.



Originally Posted By: Rolla07
How does C get terminated so quickly? 0 tolerance is logical but you cant fire someone without doing a proper investigation. Guilty until proven innocent these days like some movements.


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Re: Legal ? - Employment - Sorta [Re: SevenBizzos] #4685191
03/05/18 01:00 PM
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No loose ends...

I would of done the same.

As an employer I don't want to have to deal with kindergarten stuff.

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