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non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? #4645755
01/25/18 09:27 AM
01/25/18 09:27 AM
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background: my 64k mile 2013 passat has the old non turbo 2.5 liter, 5 cylinder, non turbo engine, which i like. just after going over its cpo warranty i had to spend $500 and three long trips to the dealer to fix a cel issue involving a cai valve. while there i wandered over to the sales floor and looked around. i was offered a lowball $5700 as trade in value, and combined with the dealership’s “easy, stress free, no haggle” actually high car sales prices, convinced me to keep my otherwise fine passat for awhile. i have religiously serviced my passat at this dealership. and i realize that a trade in will always be worth less than how the owner values it, especially an older passat.

question: with this non turbo engine am i wedded to vw spec oil changes? im kinda p.o.’d at the dealership now with its high prices, and treatment like an off the street schmuck. in other words what are my options for high quality non vw spec oil grades and makes, and intervals, typically available outside of a vw dealership? i am not in a position to change oil myself. im not looking to cheap out but i am looking for other reasonable oil options at either 5k or the usual 10k intervals.

caveat: this is the only vw dealership nearby, i have been to the next further one and it deserves its an unstelllar reputation. there are a couple of independent vw mechanics around but they look like junkyards.

thanks in advance for your suggestions. and if there are no non vw options, so be it, please just let me know what you think.


2013 vw passat s
2014 toyota yaris l
Re: non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? [Re: jstert] #4645775
01/25/18 09:44 AM
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My bet is you could go for any A3/B4 5W30 or 5W40 oil, but here all those oils meets VW502.00


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Re: non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? [Re: jstert] #4645777
01/25/18 09:45 AM
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You dont have to buy "VW spec" oil at the dealer.

Plenty of other oils meet your engine requirements.

M1 website had this to say
Based on what you've told us, your vehicle manufacturer recommends a 5W-30 or 5W-40 viscosity and oil that meets VW 502 00, VW 503 00 or VW 504 00. A 0W-40 viscosity can also be used. Your engine oil capacity is approximately 6.3 quarts. We offer these motor oils to help protect your vehicle. The recommended oil filter is M1C-451/M1C-451A.

They recommend M1 0w40 "european car formula" (almost every walmart has this I think)

or m1 5w30 ESP (never seen here)

For example the 0w40 is around 23$ for 5 quarts.
https://www.amazon.com/Mobil-120760-Synt...ords=mobil+0w40


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Re: non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? [Re: jstert] #4645787
01/25/18 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted By: jstert
question: with this non turbo engine am i wedded to vw spec oil changes?

in other words what are my options for high quality non vw spec oil grades and makes, and intervals, typically available outside of a vw dealership?

While I'd think you'd be OK to run non-VW spec oil in this particular engine, I don't really see a reason why you'd want to. Go to your local Walmart, and you'll find that an oil that carries the required VW 502.00 spec does not cost any more than any other high quality oil. Examples: M1 0w-40, Castrol Edge 0w-40, Pennzoil Euro 0w-40.


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Re: non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? [Re: Quattro Pete] #4645793
01/25/18 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
While I'd think you'd be OK to run non-VW spec oil in this particular engine, I don't really see a reason why you'd want to. Go to your local Walmart, and you'll find that an oil that carries the required VW 502.00 spec does not cost any more than any other high quality oil. Examples: M1 0w-40, Castrol Edge 0w-40, Pennzoil Euro 0w-40.

Exactly, there are more choices of 502.00 oils than LL-01 ones for example. Very easily available and cheaply priced especially if there is a rebate.

And if one is not in a position to change your own oil, most places (including Walmart and indy mechs) will use your own oil and filter and charge you for labor only. My daughter does it all the time for her Accord, she buys the oil at Walmart and for a reasonable fee they change her oil.


1994 BMW 530i, 238K
1996 Honda Accord, 266K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 407K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 280K
Re: non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? [Re: jstert] #4645799
01/25/18 10:12 AM
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Most oil change facilities should have a VW 502 approved oil that can be used for up to 10k miles, but some of oil change places will see that a 5W-30 viscosity synthetic oil is ok and just use whatever 5W-30 syn oil they have on the shelf, even if it does not meet VW 502. I would not run the non-VW 502 oils to 10k miles.

It's the oil filter quality I would be most concerned about. I would personally use a Mann-Hummel HU-7196x or an OEM VW filter, knowing I am using a quality oil filter capable of going 10k miles. Some aftermarket cartridge oil filters are prone to deform in service after only a few thousand miles. Wix cartridge filters for German cars are decent, but I still prefer one of the German brands if possible, knowing the durability is there.

Re: non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? [Re: jstert] #4645860
01/25/18 11:02 AM
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re: not being able to do an oil change:
-top of engine using an oil extractor (The Mercedes Benz way....)


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Re: non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? [Re: pandus13] #4645863
01/25/18 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted By: pandus13
re: not being able to do an oil change:
-top of engine using an oil extractor (The Mercedes Benz way....)

Yeah, but on this engine you still need to crawl under the car to replace the filter.


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'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
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Re: non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? [Re: jstert] #4645869
01/25/18 11:14 AM
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Sorry, what is a CAI valve? Is it same as an IAC?

Last edited by ARCOgraphite; 01/25/18 11:15 AM.

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Re: non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? [Re: Quattro Pete] #4645870
01/25/18 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: pandus13
re: not being able to do an oil change:
-top of engine using an oil extractor (The Mercedes Benz way....)

Yeah, but on this engine you still need to crawl under the car to replace the filter.

Really? Why would VW have done that. Loved doing topside oil changes on my 1.9L TDI (well, "loved" might not be the right term, but it sure was easy).


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2010 Toyota Tundra DC, 4.6L/6AT, 144k, ours
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Re: non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? [Re: jstert] #4645880
01/25/18 11:26 AM
01/25/18 11:26 AM
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I know little about VW's . However , changing oil is not rocket science ( providing the last guy did not over tighten the drain plug ! :-( ) .

Are you able to drain the oil your self ?

How much has VW been charging you for an oil / filter change ?

I am old school . With conventional oil , every 3000 miles . With synthetic , at 50% on the Oil Life Monitor .

Best of luck to you , :-)


Wyr
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Re: non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? [Re: jstert] #4645882
01/25/18 11:28 AM
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Find a nice local shop on Yelp and carry in a jug of oil from Walmart and a filter. When I had a VW I liked buying a couple at a time at the dealer.


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2000 Toyota Camry 2.2L 231k Valvoline 5w30 & Fram Ultra
1996 Jeep Cherokee 4.0L 147k Mobil 1 HM 10w40 & Fram Ultra
Re: non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? [Re: jstert] #4645887
01/25/18 11:35 AM
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I used to mailorder oil&filters for my TDI, didn't care about cost. As pointed out, a number of over the counter oils can be used, so if I had a gasser VW I'd mail order just filters and buy oil at Walmart. [On my Toyota's its like $40 for 10 OEM filters.]


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2010 Toyota Tundra DC, 4.6L/6AT, 144k, ours
1999 Toyota Camry LE, 2.2L/4AT, 195k, his
Re: non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? [Re: jstert] #4645890
01/25/18 11:39 AM
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You can run non-spec oil in your car, but a good 502 oil+filter for your car should only hit you for $35 MAX.

A good 5W-30 or 10W-40 would be fine but I would cut oil changes to 5k - you could leave the filter change at 10k.

Likely two conventional changes and one filter would cost you more.


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Re: non vw spec oil changes for 2.5 passat? [Re: supton] #4645891
01/25/18 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: pandus13
re: not being able to do an oil change:
-top of engine using an oil extractor (The Mercedes Benz way....)

Yeah, but on this engine you still need to crawl under the car to replace the filter.

Really? Why would VW have done that.

No idea. I guess this engine wasn't designed to be serviced from the top.

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