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#4616988 - 12/28/17 05:55 PM Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options?
cheesepuffs Offline


Registered: 09/24/13
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Loc: Connecticut
Hey guys, so I want to run a PAO oil for my next OCI, but I'm not sure which brands are even really Group IV oils anymore? AmsOil withholds this information as "proprietary". Apparently at least some Motul varieties are hydrocracked according to their MDS sheets. What about Redline?

I'm looking for a 5w-20. This is for my Accord, not a race engine, so it needs to have detergents. What is out there?
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#4616990 - 12/28/17 05:58 PM Re: Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options? [Re: cheesepuffs]
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I believe Amsoil Signature series is predominantly group IV/V.
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#4616997 - 12/28/17 06:06 PM Re: Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options? [Re: cheesepuffs]
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Redline is a yes.
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#4616998 - 12/28/17 06:07 PM Re: Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options? [Re: cheesepuffs]
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No oil is 100% PAO to my knowledge. M1 EP is heavily PAO with some esters and other goodies. Amsoil is probably similar to M1 EP.. We think PU and PP is grp 3
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#4617000 - 12/28/17 06:10 PM Re: Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options? [Re: cheesepuffs]
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Registered: 09/21/10
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0w20 will come close without paying boutique oil prices ...

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#4617016 - 12/28/17 06:27 PM Re: Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options? [Re: cheesepuffs]
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Castrol 0w40 is well dosed
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#4617028 - 12/28/17 06:42 PM Re: Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options? [Re: cheesepuffs]
burla Offline


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Redline by far the most committed to pao/esters and the 5w20 and 10w30 have zero VII's.

or

ravenol 5w20


Edited by burla (12/28/17 06:44 PM)

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#4617039 - 12/28/17 06:59 PM Re: Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options? [Re: cheesepuffs]
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German Castrol 0W-30 or 0W-40 have a good amount of PAO on them. Much cheaper and easier to find than Amsoil too.
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#4617057 - 12/28/17 07:21 PM Re: Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options? [Re: cheesepuffs]
OVERKILL Offline


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M1 EP 0w-20 is majority PAO and probably your least expensive option.
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#4617074 - 12/28/17 07:39 PM Re: Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options? [Re: cheesepuffs]
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Try some Redline 5w20
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#4617163 - 12/28/17 08:43 PM Re: Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options? [Re: cheesepuffs]
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100% has been proven to be a bad idea...

it REALLY excels in some areas, but falls short in others.
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#4617194 - 12/28/17 09:09 PM Re: Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options? [Re: Linctex]
cheesepuffs Offline


Registered: 09/24/13
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Loc: Connecticut
Originally Posted By: Linctex
100% has been proven to be a bad idea...

it REALLY excels in some areas, but falls short in others.


Care to elaborate? PAO basestock was literally recommended to me by a real tribologist.

I didn't know M1 EP was high in PAO. I'll probably use that then due to cost effectiveness. Excellent info guys, thanks to all.
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#4617239 - 12/28/17 09:40 PM Re: Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options? [Re: cheesepuffs]
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Registered: 07/25/17
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Loc: Texas (south)
Try some Mobil 1
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#4617240 - 12/28/17 09:41 PM Re: Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options? [Re: cheesepuffs]
FermeLaPorte Offline


Registered: 07/25/17
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Mobil is where Redline and Amsoil get their PAO :P
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#4617245 - 12/28/17 09:45 PM Re: Buying PAO/Group IV oil in the US. Options? [Re: cheesepuffs]
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Registered: 06/13/16
Posts: 2569
Loc: MN
Originally Posted By: cheesepuffs

Care to elaborate? PAO basestock was literally recommended to me by a real tribologist.
I didn't know M1 EP was high in PAO. I'll probably use that then due to cost effectiveness. Excellent info guys, thanks to all.


You can look up Mobil1 Extended Performance EP motor oils, any grade you want, and also other M1 oils like M1 Annual Protection too by looking for
"1-DECENE, HOMOPOLYMER HYDROGENATED", which is PAO, on the search website:
https://www.exxonmobil.com/sds Just type in Annual Protection for example in the search box and download the MSDS.

I've noticed that the M1 EP & Annual Protection products in 0w20 flavor, have a lot of PAO, almost all, like 80% of the base oil in there is PAO (exclusive of the additive package chemicals and possibly esters & Group III base oils mixed in). The other grades in the EP and Ann Prot lines have less PAO than the 0w20 ones.

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