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If made to choose... #4609924
12/21/17 09:02 AM
12/21/17 09:02 AM
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Kendall, FL
wemay Offline OP
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Which would influence your purchase decision more?

That the product is made and/or assembled in the USA (but a foreign brand)
or
The product is a US brand, made/assembled on foreign soil

Last edited by wemay; 12/21/17 09:13 AM.

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Re: If made to choose... [Re: wemay] #4609928
12/21/17 09:05 AM
12/21/17 09:05 AM
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Katy, Republic of Texas
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Made in USA supports US workers and the economy more than made elsewhere and profit to company based in US.

So for me:

Made in USA > Company based in USA

My aunt has argued with me over this for years. I have bought "foreign" autos made in plants in the US by US workers, with parts sourced mostly from US sources.
She says her Ford, made in Mexico, with parts from many source countries, is more American since it is a Ford.


2018 Hyundai Santa Fe: Delo XLE 10w-30, OEM filter, 3k
2012 Scion xB: QSUD 0w-20, CQ Blue, 5k
2002 Ford F150: Magnatec 5w-20, Bosch D+, 1yr
1994 Honda VT1100: Peak 15w-40, PSL, 1yr
Re: If made to choose... [Re: wemay] #4609934
12/21/17 09:17 AM
12/21/17 09:17 AM
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South Dakota
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Made in the USA


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2016 Dodge Grand Caravan
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Re: If made to choose... [Re: wemay] #4609947
12/21/17 09:25 AM
12/21/17 09:25 AM
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Georgia
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Made in America.


1998 Honda Accord EX 2.3L Auto (Sold) 214k mi
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Re: If made to choose... [Re: wemay] #4609954
12/21/17 09:29 AM
12/21/17 09:29 AM
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Canuck living in California
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That's "global" economy for you, no matter which way you look at it, it leads to regular people getting the shaft. Those foreign companies, that many think are "American", will quickly lower the wages, once the competition moves out overseas, or they move out themselves.

The real question should be, do you want us to become the next China, where all we do is make cheap stuff for others? If no, then look at addressing the bigger picture, not blaming people for their purchasing choices.


2015 Grand Caravan 3.6L - 31k miles.
2006 Mazda 3 2.0L - 171k miles
Re: If made to choose... [Re: wemay] #4609958
12/21/17 09:33 AM
12/21/17 09:33 AM
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I'd flip a coin...


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2009 Cooper Clubman
1999 Wrangler Sahara
1995 318ti Club Sport

Wife's:
2015 X1 xDrive28i M Sport


Son's
2009 328i

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Re: If made to choose... [Re: wemay] #4609977
12/21/17 09:46 AM
12/21/17 09:46 AM
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I'd buy the better product of the two. As you can see in my signature, it seems that I buy made in USA foreign products but that's completely unintentional.


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Re: If made to choose... [Re: wemay] #4609980
12/21/17 09:47 AM
12/21/17 09:47 AM
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Great Lakes
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Originally Posted By: wemay
Which would influence your purchase decision more?

That the product is made and/or assembled in the USA (but a foreign brand)
or
The product is a US brand, made/assembled on foreign soil

I think I'd want to run from both of these scenarios. smile


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'15 Q5 3.0T (Edge 5W-40)
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Re: If made to choose... [Re: wemay] #4609999
12/21/17 10:03 AM
12/21/17 10:03 AM
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Campbellsville, KY
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Domestic company.

My outlook is, where does the profit from that purchase go? Ultimately, to the headquarters of the company.

I'm not as concerned about "made in USA" as I once was - I still pay some attention, but I don't have unwavering faith in the workmanship quality of American workers and can't change that by what few items I have a choice to buy made in the US vs. made somewhere else. I have a certain amount less confidence in the quality of something made in China, for instance, that in the USA, but I don't get hung up on it because I've been in too many manufacturing environments here in the US where the workers were perfectly happy to turn out a really poor product. For domestic manufacturing to live up to what some people make it out to be the majority of our workforce needs to undergo a substantial change of attitude.


To quote a friend, "Synthetics, man."

'85 GMC C3500, 454, 132K
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'85 Mercedes 300TD, OM617 turbo, 217K (wife's)
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Re: If made to choose... [Re: wemay] #4610019
12/21/17 10:23 AM
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I would prefer American jobs on American soil


2003 Mercury Grand Marquis. PP HM 5w-30 and Fram TG
2008 Sebring Hardtop convertible. PP HM 5w-30 and Fram Ultra
2006 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 LT. Motul 7100 10w-40 and K&N
Re: If made to choose... [Re: wemay] #4610039
12/21/17 10:39 AM
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Virginia
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I prefer American company over American made. A company headquartered in America is still creating tons of jobs, they're just not manufacturing jobs. It's corporate, engineering, R&D, marketing, etc... type positions. Secondly, the profits that company makes are coming back to America, unlike money made by foreign brands. Ideally, we would be able to do everything here but if I have to choose I'll take higher paying white collar jobs and company profits over manufacturing.


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Re: If made to choose... [Re: Alex_V] #4610049
12/21/17 10:51 AM
12/21/17 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted By: Alex_V
Domestic company.

My outlook is, where does the profit from that purchase go? Ultimately, to the headquarters of the company.

That's a bit of a simplistic view, IMO. The question is: who benefits from it? Take GM, for example, who have been using these profits to build out their China operations in order to make money there but also to make their US business more profitable (by building cars in China). Do you, as an American consumer, benefit from it? It's complicated. smile


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Re: If made to choose... [Re: Quattro Pete] #4610060
12/21/17 11:03 AM
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Campbellsville, KY
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Alex_V
Domestic company.

My outlook is, where does the profit from that purchase go? Ultimately, to the headquarters of the company.

That's a bit of a simplistic view, IMO. The question is: who benefits from it? Take GM, for example, who have been using these profits to build out their China operations in order to make money there but also to make their US business more profitable (by building cars in China). Do you, as an American consumer, benefit from it? It's complicated. smile



Touche, there are two sides to that coin. More than one foreign auto maker contributes substantially to the economy in my area - Toyota in Georgetown, KY comes to mind. The last machine shop I worked for (job shop, winter before last) got the better share of its business from Hitachi nearby. My outlook of headquarters location vs. where it's actually made is more for large purchases, like my Cruze - 56% domestic parts. laugh


To quote a friend, "Synthetics, man."

'85 GMC C3500, 454, 132K
'82 Mercedes 300CD, OM617 turbo, 173K (totaled 2018, in rehab)
'85 Mercedes 300TD, OM617 turbo, 217K (wife's)
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Re: If made to choose... [Re: wemay] #4610065
12/21/17 11:15 AM
12/21/17 11:15 AM
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There is this thing in economics called the multiplier effect. American jobs keep other Americans working by spending their earnings to get by. That the net profit goes off shore is a problem for people beyond middle class wage earners. How much of that gets squirreled away offshore anyway?

Keep it RSP free, guys grin2

Last edited by andyd; 12/21/17 11:19 AM.

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Re: If made to choose... [Re: wemay] #4610069
12/21/17 11:18 AM
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Depends on the situation. If I'm just looking for something cheap and not something that will last 10-20 years, then foreign is fine.

Reminds me of the time I was buying some cheap pliers at Sears. They were no name stuff that just had a 1 year warranty. Guy was trying to sell me on Craftmans tools and said they were more professionally built. I said that's ok, I'm not a professional. I notice small stuff like that tends to get lost or stolen so I don't bother with anything really good. Plus when you only use it a couple times a year if that as opposed to all the time, it doesn't need to be that good.

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