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unlimited mileage passenger tires? #4597806
12/08/17 08:43 AM
12/08/17 08:43 AM
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CincyDavid Offline OP
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What ever happened to the Goodyear Infinitred and Michelin X One? They seem to have fallen off the map.


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Re: unlimited mileage passenger tires? [Re: CincyDavid] #4597822
12/08/17 08:58 AM
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Char Baby Offline
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I remember these tire names and I actually had the X-Ones on a car in which I ended up selling. So, their memory was short for me.

In terms of longevity, this is somewhat subjective. You & I could have the same vehicle/engine/tire size. And both of us could get different lengths of tire tread life depending on driving style/multiple drivers etc.

Also, these tires may have had longer warranties of months owned. Instead of the standard 4 or 5 years of warranty(down to 2/32nds, they may have given 6 or 7 years. IIRC, the G/Y started out at ~ 12 32nds instead of 10 32nds...Just saying!

Another factor that comes to mind is, maybe they weren't profitable enough for the companies to keep producing...or the warranty killed them.

Keep in mind too, that the market and technologies have changed and the names of the tires have changed to reflect that. There are a ton of reasons that these tires are not with us any longer.

Last edited by Char Baby; 12/08/17 09:00 AM.

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Re: unlimited mileage passenger tires? [Re: CincyDavid] #4597850
12/08/17 09:45 AM
12/08/17 09:45 AM
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When the obama govt killed coal it dramatically effected Michelin’s tire formulation. You can thank the former
EPA. This is what I was told when I was asking around as to why Michelin tires got “sucky” for a couple of years. I was shocked at the prominence of coal in Michelin tire Mfg.

Of course, I may have been misinformed. That is a possibility.


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Re: unlimited mileage passenger tires? [Re: CincyDavid] #4597863
12/08/17 09:56 AM
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Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Garak Offline
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The Yokohamas on my car are unlimited mileage, so there is still at least one example.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: unlimited mileage passenger tires? [Re: Garak] #4597900
12/08/17 10:35 AM
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gaijinnv Offline
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Unlimited mileage tires - take your pick:



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Re: unlimited mileage passenger tires? [Re: CincyDavid] #4597907
12/08/17 10:45 AM
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I'd rather have tires with a variety of good attributes, that I have to replace every 5 years... than tires that provide next to nothing, yet last forever.


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Re: unlimited mileage passenger tires? [Re: Gebo] #4597923
12/08/17 11:03 AM
12/08/17 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted By: Gebo
When the obama govt killed coal it dramatically effected Michelin’s tire formulation. You can thank the former
EPA. This is what I was told when I was asking around as to why Michelin tires got “sucky” for a couple of years. I was shocked at the prominence of coal in Michelin tire Mfg.

Of course, I may have been misinformed. That is a possibility.


The unlimited tire thing is Obama's fault? Sounds fishy to me. Super cheap natural gas is one of the main contributors to the fall of coal, which is relatively expensive to mine (relative to natural gas). If you can get natural gas cheaper, why use coal?

The free market is killing coal...

http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/11/natural-gas-ambush-killed-off-coal-minin
http://time.com/4913856/rick-perry-trump-coal-energy-grid-study-obama/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-plan-wont-reverse-coals-decline/
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/4/28/15465348/obama-trump-regulations-coal
http://e360.yale.edu/features/why_us_coal_industry_and_its_jobs_are_not_coming_back

Re: unlimited mileage passenger tires? [Re: WillsYoda] #4597942
12/08/17 11:27 AM
12/08/17 11:27 AM
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<too late to delete post... didn't want to wade into something that could be construed as political even though I was commenting on technology>

Last edited by 440Magnum; 12/08/17 11:31 AM.

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Re: unlimited mileage passenger tires? [Re: CincyDavid] #4597957
12/08/17 11:54 AM
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I don't think coal is dead.

Even if it's use for generating electricity is LESS
that make it's availability for industrial uses become MORE

I don't see any rationale... if tire companies need coal for rubber formulas - - they can get it EASILY.


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Re: unlimited mileage passenger tires? [Re: Gebo] #4597967
12/08/17 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Gebo
When the obama govt killed coal it dramatically effected Michelin’s tire formulation. You can thank the former
EPA. This is what I was told when I was asking around as to why Michelin tires got “sucky” for a couple of years. I was shocked at the prominence of coal in Michelin tire Mfg.

Of course, I may have been misinformed. That is a possibility.

Carbon black is manufactured from natural gas or oil derivatives, depending on the requirements for the finished product.


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Re: unlimited mileage passenger tires? [Re: Gebo] #4597999
12/08/17 12:46 PM
12/08/17 12:46 PM
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Quote:
When the obama govt killed coal it dramatically effected Michelin’s tire formulation. You can thank the former
EPA. This is what I was told when I was asking around as to why Michelin tires got “sucky” for a couple of years. I was shocked at the prominence of coal in Michelin tire Mfg.

Of course, I may have been misinformed. That is a possibility.

Okayyyyy. That's a doozy tale. To think I wasn't even aware that "Michelin tires got sucky for a couple years," not to mention the govt killing coal being the cause.

Without even reading other information, I'd choose the last two sentences of the quote as the much more likely choice.

Re: unlimited mileage passenger tires? [Re: 440Magnum] #4598017
12/08/17 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
<too late to delete post... didn't want to wade into something that could be construed as political even though I was commenting on technology>


Political or just the truth?


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Re: unlimited mileage passenger tires? [Re: CincyDavid] #4598098
12/08/17 02:34 PM
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Everything is Obama's fault.

Even when manufacturer realized they made a wrong bet and lost their shirt on "unlimited mileage passenger tires".


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Re: unlimited mileage passenger tires? [Re: Gebo] #4598192
12/08/17 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: Gebo
When the obama govt killed coal it dramatically effected Michelin’s tire formulation. You can thank the former
EPA. This is what I was told when I was asking around as to why Michelin tires got “sucky” for a couple of years. I was shocked at the prominence of coal in Michelin tire Mfg.

Of course, I may have been misinformed. That is a possibility.
Well then, I guess tires now cost half as much and are great again, right?

Re: unlimited mileage passenger tires? [Re: Le_bow_ski] #4598428
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Originally Posted By: Le_bow_ski
Well then, I guess tires now cost half as much and are great again, right?


It was said that there are around 2 gallons of crude oil in every tire. They got pricey in the late 2000's. MSRP might not be cheaper but there are more rebates (which give them some padding in case raw materials prices go back up.)

There was also a tarriff on chinese tires that expired a couple years back.

When my wife got her HHR back in 2013 its 215/55/16 tires were $100 apiece. I managed to get 4 for $100 through DTD shenanigans last year.

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